Tisas 1911. Anyone run one hard? How do they fare?

I purchased one at $390, a several weeks later the price dropped to $320 so I purchased another.

as new

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I do not like the Commander hammer as it is inadequate, in my opinion, to lower the hammer safely

I start here:

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slowly slide the middle finger out (having depressed the trigger and then removing the trigger finger from guard once the hammer is free!)

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the forefinger in the hammer spur is essential to controlling this operation!

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I think this is more controlled than pinching the hammer between the thumb and fore finger.

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Something like this will lead to an accidental discharge! This is a CZ manual picture, and if the trigger is pressed, and the trigger finger stays pressing the trigger, and that roundel slips from under the thumb, the pistol will go bang! I am very surprised this is in the manual, very unsafe in my opinion.

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I also wanted better looking grips, so I added the Tisas GI hammer and my own aftermarket grips.

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good rear sight picture

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I like the wide hammer, makes it easy to thumb cock

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anyone remember when you had to pay a Gunsmith to bevel your Colt magazine well?

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If you look at the video, to me, that is a modern factory with modern machinery. Very few people on the factory floor.



I wish I could find the Tisas short video on machining a 1911 barrel. I was fascinated by it. A rifled blank was put into a CNC machine, and in an incredibly short period, the CNC machine cut and reamed a finished barrel. The chips were flying. I think the barrel was fully machined, I do remember the barrel and hood being cut from a round barrel blank. On the original WW1 and WW2 barrels, it probably took almost a hundred operations on a hundred single stage machines to make a barrel. Now, the machine just spits them out! Blah!, here is your barrel Human scum!

When the factory floor goes AI, will the machinery find purpose and meaning making only one part? Will AI have existential agnst?

I am working on 500 rounds so far on the first Tisas. I have magazine issues, not pistol issues. My range magazines are garbage. Just purchased four CDNN OEM magazines, ran them, had issues till I oiled them. These OEM magazines are stamped COLT but don't have the Pony, so I don't think they are Colt OEM, and the holes were in the wrong places. From the sight holes the magazine looks filled with six rounds. The holes on either side are not in alignment, which made it fun to compress the spring, to remove the follower and clean the magazine. It has been my experience, that you have to run magazines, and find the ones that are reliable in your 1911. Some are not reliable in all of my 1911's and I don't know why.

As a general rule, the better magazines, McCormick Shooting Star, Mec-Gar, Wilson, and Colt factory run more reliably than some of the cheap no name stuff, ie: "Colt OEM" It is also my opinion that seven round mags are more reliable than eight, on the first rounds. We have it much better now, back in the 1980's about the only reliable magazines on the market were Colt, and they were God awful expensive. GI magazines could be very good, but I believe most of them on the market were Government rejects, flushed out of inventory, purchased by Civilian's bidding on GSA surplus , and sold to us as "Day Old Bread". Or magic beans.

One thing I like about the Tisas is the barrel does not clog up with lead when shooting cast bullets. My RIA 1911, even though I am through several ammunition cans with the thing, it still leads unacceptably. I have put enough FMJ through the RIA tube it has polished out to a mirror finish, but it still leads badly in the throat. My Tisas barrel is polishing itself, it is much brighter than when I started. I also have not had the leading issues of the RIA 1911.

Due to the fact I am trying to shoot up a 1990's keg of AA#5 before it goes bad, I mostly shoot 230 FMJ's with AA#5. Both of my Tisas's shoot well with my load, and shoot to point of aim. If I could stop flinching, the groups would be much tighter.

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I finally got the chronograph out, it was cold, and getting dark, the velocities might have been a little low due to the ammunition being cold soaked, or chronograph offset. This load is running at 800 fps in other pistols.

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I am only speculating, but the low price of the Tisas pistols may only be due to the terrible inflation in Turkey. Click on the 5yr comparison of the Turkish Lira against the dollar.

https://www.exchangerates.org.uk/TRY-USD-exchange-rate-history.html

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I am going to say, take advantage of the favorable exchange rate before the Democrats cause a currency collapse with the dollar. In five years, a Big Mac could cost $10,000 USD.

Anyone remember when a cup of coffee was 50 cents?
 
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I purchased one at $390, a several weeks later the price dropped to $320 so I purchased another.

as new

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I do not like the Commander hammer as it is inadequate, in my opinion, to lower the hammer safely

I start here:

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slowly slide the middle finger out (having depressed the trigger and then removing the trigger finger from guard once the hammer is free!)

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the forefinger in the hammer spur is essential to controlling this operation!

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I think this is more controlled than pinching the hammer between the thumb and fore finger.

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Something like this will lead to an accidental discharge! This is a CZ manual picture, and if the trigger is pressed, and the trigger finger stays pressing the trigger, and that roundel slips from under the thumb, the pistol will go bang! I am very surprised this is in the manual, very unsafe in my opinion.

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I also wanted better looking grips, so I added the Tisas GI hammer and my own aftermarket grips.

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If you look at the video, to me, that is a modern factory with modern machinery. Very few people on the factory floor.



I wish I could find the Tisas short video on machining a 1911 barrel. I was fascinated by it. A rifled blank was put into a CNC machine, and in an incredibly short period, the CNC machine cut and reamed a finished barrel. The chips were flying. I think the barrel was fully machined, I do remember the barrel and hood being cut from a round barrel blank. On the original WW1 and WW2 barrels, it probably took almost a hundred operations on a hundred single stage machines to make a barrel. Now, the machine just spits them out! Blah!, here is your barrel.

When the factory floor goes AI, will the machinery find purpose and meaning making only one part? Will AI have existential agnst?

I am working on 500 rounds so far on the first Tisas. I have magazine issues, not pistol issues. My range magazines are garbage. Just purchased four CDNN OEM magazines, ran them, had issues till I oiled them. These OEM magazines are stamped COLT but don't have the Pony, so I don't think they are Colt OEM, and the holes were in the wrong places. From the sight holes the magazine looks filled with six rounds. The holes on either side are not in alignment, which made it fun to compress the spring, to remove the follower and clean the magazine. It has been my experience, that you have to run magazines, and find the ones that are reliable in your 1911. Some are not reliable in all of my 1911's and I don't know why.

As a general rule, the better magazines, McCormick Shooting Star, Mec-Gar, Wilson, and Colt factory run more reliably than some of the cheap no name stuff, ie: "Colt OEM" It is also my opinion that seven round mags are more reliable than eight, on the first rounds. We have it much better now, back in the 1980's about the only reliable magazines on the market were Colt, and they were God awful expensive. GI magazines could be very good, but I believe most of them on the market were Government rejects, flushed out of inventory, purchased by Civilian's bidding on GSA surplus , and sold to us as "Day Old Bread". Or magic beans.

One thing I like about the Tisas is the barrel does not clog up with lead when shooting cast bullets. My RIA 1911, even though I am through several ammunition cans with the thing, it still leads unacceptably. I have put enough FMJ through the RIA tube it has polished out to a mirror finish, but it still leads badly in the throat. My Tisas barrel is polishing itself, it is much brighter than when I started. I also have not had the leading issues of the RIA 1911.

Due to the fact I am trying to shoot up a 1990's keg of AA#5 before it goes bad, I mostly shoot 230 FMJ's with AA#5. Both of my Tisas's shoot well with my load, and shoot to point of aim. If I could stop flinching, the groups would be much tighter.

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I finally got the chronograph out, it was cold, and getting dark, the velocities might have been a little low due to the ammunition being cold soaked, or chronograph offset. This load is running at 800 fps in other pistols.

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I am only speculating, but the low price of the Tisas pistols may only be due to the terrible inflation in Turkey. Click on the 5yr comparison of the Turkish Lira against the dollar.

https://www.exchangerates.org.uk/TRY-USD-exchange-rate-history.html

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I am going to say, take advantage of the favorable exchange rate before the Democrats cause a currency collapse with the dollar. In five years, a Big Mac could cost $10,000 USD.

Anyone remember when a cup of coffee was 50 cents?

I bought one at $350 + tax, then price dropped to $299 + tax! if another local sale comes up.. will get 2 more!

Don’t forget 2020 people! Stack up Deep 4 Cheap ~ Sell them high when everyone is dry
 
Possible. They have access to steel, and good steel if they desire. A vast workforce, too.
Probably the only thing in the way would be the impossible amount of red tape bureaucracy.
Lots of palms to grease … agree! but once all the cogs are turning! … who’s going to the 1st to put down some +P 45 ACP down the pipe! lol
 
Possible. They have access to steel, and good steel if they desire. A vast workforce, too.
Probably the only thing in the way would be the impossible amount of red tape bureaucracy.

Saw some new Mahindra Tractors at the Arkansas State Fair. Looked good and modern.


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And got to examine a Royal Enfield Motorcycle, love the retro style, and it was well built

https://www.royalenfield.com/us/en/motorcycles/int650/


The Israeli's went to India, not the USA to set up a joint manufacturing of Israeli small arms designs

PLR Systems: Journey of India’s First Private Small Arms Manufacturer

India, Israel forge partnership for small arms production

PLR Homepage


Small Arms Development: Can Private Players Hit the Target?
Scroll down through the article to see other Indian small arms manufacturer's and what they are making

With one billion people, India has a lot of smart people. I don't know if American Universities graduate more Indian PhD's in science and engineering than Chinese, but what is true, American Universities graduate more foreign nationals with PhD's in science and engineering than Americans. Like a seven or ten to one margin. There is no doubt in my mind that the Indians can make good stuff, firearms included, if they want to.
 
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Saw some new Mahindra Tractors at the Arkansas State Fair. Looked good and modern.


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And got to examine a Royal Enfield Motorcycle, love the retro style, and it was well built

https://www.royalenfield.com/us/en/motorcycles/int650/

With one billion people, India has a lot of smart people. I don't know if American Universities graduate more Indian PhD's in science and engineering than Chinese, but what is true, American Universities graduate more foreign nationals with PhD's in science and engineering than Americans. Like a seven or ten to one margin. There is no doubt in my mind that the Indians can make good stuff, firearms included, if they want to.
I know a few of PHD’s and JD’s and ABD’s that are dumb as dirt.
 
Comes with a free Slurpee........
Purchase in the line at the gas station? An Indian 1911 would either be very good or very bad I think. Turkey has been building good guns for a LONG time, so I figured they were decent, but the cost is so low for the features! Once the house sells I'll be getting a few to try out...
 
Can't be stupider than the guy in the White House.

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Purchase in the line at the gas station? An Indian 1911 would either be very good or very bad I think. Turkey has been building good guns for a LONG time, so I figured they were decent, but the cost is so low for the features! Once the house sells I'll be getting a few to try out...
Tisas will jack up their price once the Honeymoon period is over
 
I'm sure that'll be the case. By the end of next month though I should be sitting on some disposable cash...and then I'll have two new 1911's
what if Tisas came out with a Royal Blue Colt Clone? they have different chemical restrictions there!!! would you pay $700 for one? I would
 
Just as there are good and bad manufactures in the United States, there are also good and bad manufactures in pretty much every other country. If you looked at a heritage rough rider, would you then determine that all American made guns are good or bad?
Well, I hope the World gets into the Gun Manufacturing business and Guns will be as common as Toothbrushes
 
I know a few of PHD’s and JD’s and ABD’s that are dumb as dirt.
You know what PhD stands for, “Piled high and deep”. They are not as dumb as dirt, just more capable at shoveling.

I have an 1990’s vintage Auto Ordinance 1911. A little work and the installation of a well used Colt Mk IV, Series 70’ barrel, I got an accurate service level 1911.

I’m sure with a bit of TLC, a Tisa can be made to be a good, reliable 1911 if it is not performing well.

P.S., I got one of them PhD's in engineering.:)
 
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To each his own and everyone has a different definition of quality. They seem to be hit or miss from what I have read concerning issues that needed to be addressed. Seems many purchase them to upgrade by tinkering or use the frames for a build. Handled one of the Tisas and Girsans the other day at the lgs and was not impressed but that's my opinion...YMMV
 
To each his own and everyone has a different definition of quality. They seem to be hit or miss from what I have read concerning issues that needed to be addressed. Seems many purchase them to upgrade by tinkering or use the frames for a build. Handled one of the Tisas and Girsans the other day at the lgs and was not impressed but that's my opinion...YMMV
it’s $300, it’s not going to feel like a Colt or Springfield or Nighthawk

I have 2, and I’m good with 2 of 2 … and if they go on sale, will buy 4 more! oooh yeah
 
Who owns Jaguar now?

But back towards the topic.

So far I have well over 500 rounds through a Tisas "Army" and also well over 500 rounds through my Tisas "Tanker" though I did switch slides to a "Carry" slide. Same barrel and frame internals. I'm at about 200 rounds through a Tisas "Duty" and my brother-in-law has run several hundred rounds through my Tisas "Carry". I also have just under 500 rounds through a Girsan MC1911 C XLV which is a Commander size 1911 with the long trigger, beaver tail, Novak style three dot sights.

Issues.

I have had issues with feeding when using Wilson 920 magazines and those issues have been pistol independent. I see the same unreliability regardless of which of the pistols is used. Also the Girsan has been the only one that required a break-in period; it took a couple hundred rounds before it was reliable. The fit and finish on the Girsan has also been way below the Tisas standard. I have changed the full length flat recoil spring out and a simple GI style round spring is being used now.

Overall, I have been far more satisfied with any and all of the relatively low cost 1911s compared to my past horrific experiences with a new Colt Series 80 in the late 1980s or with my Dan Wesson Pointman/Patriot semi custom and decade or two later.

I have found the Turkish made 1911s to be everything the original 1911s were but just with better metals and fewer rattles.
 
it’s $300, it’s not going to feel like a Colt or Springfield or Nighthawk

I have 2, and I’m good with 2 of 2 … and if they go on sale, will buy 4 more! oooh yeah
Actually, from what Ive seen anyway, the Tisas is a lot closer to Colt specs (dimension wise) than most of the others. They "feel" like a Colt in my hand, where most of the other clones dont.
 
Actually, from what Ive seen anyway, the Tisas is a lot closer to Colt specs (dimension wise) than most of the others. They "feel" like a Colt in my hand, where most of the other clones dont.
Maybe Tisas will be the new Uberti & Peitta of the 1911 world
 
Id rather see them be more like the Norinco's. Uberti & Peitta arent real awe-inspiring.

Being Tisas if they keep it up is good too. :)
 
Actually, from what Ive seen anyway, the Tisas is a lot closer to Colt specs (dimension wise) than most of the others. They "feel" like a Colt in my hand, where most of the other clones dont.

A bud of mine got original Government 1911 drawings through a Freedom of Information request. He claimed if you searched long enough, there were dimensions that were wrong. I don't know what they were, but older technical data packages had errors, such that the inside was larger than the outside type of errors. The 1911 was designed in an era where manufacturing technology was a lot more primitive than today. Parts were made to a tolerance, but it took hand fitting to make them fit. Older firearms were made of parts that were not drop in interchangeable. Parts were handed to an skilled assembler who filed and fitted parts to create a complete firearm. The assembler had to be trained to know just where to file, bend, torque, to produce a functioning firearm.

In fact, if you read Clawson's Book on the 1911, Colt did not have a drawing package. Colt had a master model 1911, which worked. If the production line was not producing functioning pistols, the as built parts would be compared against the parts on the master model.

I believe this is a master model 1911 provided to Springfield Armory so the Government Arsenal could make 1911's, by coping the parts.


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Springfield Armory production engineers would have sat around a table with micrometers and other measuring devices trying to reverse engineer these Colt parts and figure out how to set up a production line to crank out 1911's.

Today, a design engineer provides a Computer Assisted Design model on an electronic storage device, and if the manufacturing instructions are there, the CNC machines crank out the parts. (Probably not that simple, but getting there)

The point of the matter is, I am not confident that the old WW2 era data packages can produce a "GI" spec 1911 that would function. I do not know what level of parts standardization is going on between modern 1911 producers. I would be curious to know.
 
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