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Tite Group by Hodgdon

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by USMC-Mustang, Dec 27, 2012.

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  1. USMC-Mustang

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    Anyone use this powder for 380 or 9mm?
     
  2. BigJimP

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    Yes, I do ....its a good powder.

    The only precaution, I would say - with TiteGroup ...because its a very fine granulated powder....the minimim and maximum on a lot of loads are only 0.3 grains or 0.4 grains apart...so you need to be real careful with it ...make sure your powder measure is set properly ...and use good procedures. Its real easy to get out of the min - max ranges with a fine powder like this.

    Hodgdon Universal is also a good powder...that has more volume in a case..making it a little safer.
     
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    Many thanks. Powders like that are the reason I purchased an RCBS Chargemaster w/scale.
     
  4. BigJimP

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    I use a progressive Dillon 650 ..../ and it handles the powder drops real well too ....as long as you adjust it properly ...

    In both calibers, I'm using Montana Gold FMJ bullets....95 gr in .380 and 115gr in the 9mm...

    Titegroup will drop within 0.1 grain of accuracy ...when everything is working right ( no static, etc ).../ just go into it with your eyes open ...and alert to any issues and you'll be fine. Its a nice clean powder...
     
  5. jwrowland77

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    I love me some Titegroup. Only thing like said before, it is super easy to double charge. I use it in both 9mm and .380. I bought a pound of it to try when I first started reloading back in March and I'm getting ready to buy a 8# keg of it. I'll always keep some on hand.
     
  6. mizer67

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    Fine grained Titegroup is not, in my opinion, but it doesn't have great case fill in 9mm. It is possible to squeeze in a double charge and still seat a bullet if you try hard enough.

    It is a very fast burning powder, prone to pressure spikes. The power curve is not linear with this powder, so a few tenths of a grain can get you into trouble if you have setback or otherwise screw up.

    In 9mm, with a 124 gr PD JHP @ 1.12 OAL, I'm at 1,100 fps with 4.1 grains of TG. It's a good load, but TG in general burns very very hot. If you shoot a number of rounds in relatively short order it dumps a lot of excess heat into the gun and I've cooked a fiber optic insert so doing.
     
  7. BigJimP

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    I shoot my 9mm reloads primarily in my 1911's ...4" alloy frame gun / and a pair of all stainless 5" guns../ but I also shoot them in a Sig 239 (alloy frame) ...and a sig 226 all stainless....with no issues.

    ...and I've never noticed any heat issues.../ and we rapid fire in drills ..with double and triple taps all the time in and out of holsters...in under 3 sec..( not fast by pro's standards ...but quick enough for a guy in his 60's )...

    I go thru about 16,000 rds a year in 9mm alone...just screwing around...

    and I load the .380 for my son in his little Sig ...(I forget the model number)...

    but it is a fast burning powder...that is its characteristic../there is no question that you could double charge a .380 or a 9mm case with TiteGroup..../ and I use it in other calibers as well ....40S&W, .45 acp, .38 spl, .357 mag and .44 mag ....although I'm converting more and more of my ammo to Hodgdon Universal - because its easier to get ...and I also use Universal in both 20ga and 28ga shotshells.
     
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    It does burn hot for my shooter friends in comp., but they like it for light loads under 124gr 9mm. It also tends to burn dirty when loaded light --worse than some other powders. Loaded light it's easy to double charge a 9mm. Light =1060-ish fps under a 124 gr bullet.
     
  9. GP100man

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    I think I saw in print that TG was Hodgdon`s fastest burnin powder !??

    If it is then Clays is a close second !!

    I was seeing how fast I could get a Lee 158gr rnfp boolit in a 357 case , I went in .2gr increments & in .2grs. I went to moderate primerflattening(I know it`s not a true indication of pressures) to stiky extraction !! Very spiky when leaned on .
     
  10. Huskerguy

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    I use TG in 38 spc, 357, 9mm, and 40. I admit the range is tight and you need to have a good powder measure. I have been impressed with it's accuracy in all calibers I load in. I developed loads for each caliber above in both lead and plated bullets with no problems. I am now going back and developing loads with HP-38 in each caliber as well but I plan to stick with 4.0 grains on the 9 with 124 grain bullets since this is a tack driver load for me. To me, using TG is like all other powders, measure measure measure and pay attention to what you are doing.
     
  11. Grassman

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    I've used it for .40 also.
     
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    I use it for 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP. It is a fast-burning powder that is economical to use if you load a lot of ammunition. It is possible to double charge a case in each of these calibers if you're not careful, and the min-max range is narrow, so it is wise to be attentive and cautious when using this powder.

    I like it a lot, and find it to be accurate and easy to use. My LEE powder system keeps me within 0.1 gr of what I want, and I never load to max. I went through a few 1 lb cans of it before I started buying the 4lb cans. Might have to step up to 8lbs to keep enough of it around.

    For the record, I have used it in .38 special cases, but stopped because it was hard to see the powder in the bottom of the long case in my press. Way too easy to overcharge the case and not notice with .38 special. I use IMR 800X in the .38 special cases now, partially because it fills the case nicely.
     
  13. BigJimP

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    Per the Hodgdon reloading manual...

    In order of Approximate Burning Rate...(among Hodgdon powders obviously):

    TiteWad
    Clays
    International
    TiteGroup
    HP38
    Universal
    HS6
    Longshot
    H4227
    H110
    LilGun

    In Hodgdon's own description of TiteGroup - from the same reloading manual I have on my desk ... "as the name implies, this new spherical propellant was designed for accuracy. Because of the unique design, this powder provides flawless ignition with all tyupes of primers including the lead-free versions. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Mag and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. ...TiteGroup has it all, low charge weight, clean burning, mild muzzle report and superb, uniform ballistics....
     
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    My information conflicts with the above and Hodgdon's own list and shows:
    Titewad
    Titegroup
    Clays
    HP38 (W231)
    International Clays
    HS5
    Universal Clays
    HS6 (W540)
    Longshot
    HS7
    Lil Gun
    H110
    4227
     
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  15. BigJimP

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    Well so much for my list.....their online burn rate chart is different from the one I have in the reloading manual too ....( oh well )...

    http://www.hodgdon.com/burn-rate.html

    1. Titewad... ( # 6 on online list)
    2. Clays ( # 10 on the online list )
    3. TiteGroup ( # 14 on online list )
    etc....

    I guess it doesn't really matter ....I'd probably believe the online list...but who knows when they last updated it either...

    Overall, I've been really happy with Hodgdon powders...for what its worth / and I've been reloading for over 40 yrs...
     
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    I use titegroup in any pistol caliber. Works great within its specific limitations. I use 4-5 pounds a year.
     
  17. Beau Bo

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    I've been using it with Berry's 124gr HBRN. I shoot a couple hundred rounds a session and haven't noticed and heat issues. I find it consistent and easy to use/meter...
     
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    I've used Titegroup for thousands of .45s, some .500s, and a few .40s. Its my go to powder for pistol.
     
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    I like Titegroup in the Dillon RL-550B. I use 4.7 gr with the 115 gr JHP in the 9mm and the same charge with a 230 gr FMJ in the 45 ACP. Good consistent economical powder. Also works well for mild cast bullet loads in the .357 Mag and .38 spec.
     
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    I reload both 9mm and .380 with titegroup. Works well for me.
     
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    Not for the rounds in the OP but I use it a lot in numerous rounds from the 32 H&R to the 500 Linebaugh with great results. Was just out last week using it in a new 38 WCF Smith I have.
     
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    I started reloading back in the early fall. I started with 9mm using titegroup and was more accurate with even my first reloads than I have been with factory ammo. As others have said, the range between min and max is pretty narrow. Just to be safe (and because I'm a bit ocd about it) I am very methodical and weigh each charge. It isn't so bad because I've only loaded 50 rounds in a session so I don't get careless.

    My frame of reference is limited though due to limited experience. The only powder I've used so far is titegroup. I picked up a pound of AA#2 this past weekend to test when I finish the titegroup.
     
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    Yes, I use it for both .380ACP and 9x19mm. I shoot Berry's plated 100gr bullets for .380 and Berry's 115gr and 147gr 9mm bullets. I like TiteGroup because it is one of the cheapest if not the single cheapest pistol powder out there, but still produces extremely accurate ammo. The only downside is that it is a low volume powder meaning a little goes a long way so if you're not paying attention, you can fill a casing with two or three times as much powder as prescribed.
     
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    Titegroup is my "go to" powder for handgun loads. I try other powders and experiment with various test loads but come back to TG when I want to sit down and load a few thousand rounds. Watch what you are doing be care not to double charge and you can use it for pretty much all handgun loads....best wishes for the new year!!
     
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    Over the last 16 months I've used an 8# jug.
    So, ya, I've used a lot of it.

    9mm
    38 Spl
    357 Mag
    44 Spl
    44 Mag
    45 ACP
    45 Colt

    Low charge weights make it economical
    BUT --
    It's easy to dbl charge
     
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