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Titegroup for .308 168 grain HPBT!?

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by taprackbang, Nov 12, 2008.

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  1. taprackbang

    taprackbang member

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    Can anyone here attest to the accuracy / legitimacy of this load? I just started loading .308 and I was checking out Hodgdon's reloading data online.
    They said that Titegroup could be used with this weight of bullet. It only uses 8.0 grains of powder!!!

    Is this true and not just a typo? And if true, how did it work for you?

    Thanks.
     
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  2. Ridgerunner665

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    I've never tried it...but lots of people use pistol powders to load reduced power rifle loads.

    And they do it with slower burning pistol powders....Blue dot is also popular.

    As I understand it though...those loads are often not very consistent (accurate) because of the low load density.
     
  3. Geno

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    I would be concerned about potential detonation. That happens when loads get too light, too non-compressed and the powder explodes versus burns.
     
  4. taprackbang

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    Interesting; good information. I will prob. contact Hodgdon
    and inquire about this loading data for more info.
     
  5. Walkalong

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    Excellent way to proceed. Any time one is loading outside the norm it pays to research as much as possible. Then proceed with caution.
     
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    I have used aa#7 in my 300 win mag before with no ill effects. I do not use magnum primers with it though. You just have to be very carefull of the amount you put in. The real problem with doing these loads though, is it changes the p.o.i so much you either have to resight, or just see how small of groups you can get and not worry where on the paper they hit.
     
  7. ants

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    Yes, the Titegroup load is legitimate and safe. It is published by Hodgdon in the Reloading Data Center.

    They also have a Clays load for 168 grain bullet.

    They also have Titegroup and Clays loads for 223 Rem. Go check it out. And the Lyman reloading manual lists pistol powder loads for dozens of different rifle calibers. Alliant lists loads using 2400.

    The 'detonation' mentioned above has occured with very small loads of certain powders under certain conditions, but not all powders. We've covered that in previous threads on this Forum, with links to other sites to learn more. You can verify with Hodgdon, but the loads published by powder manufacturers are generally tested over the long term to verify their safety before publication. I would not myself try to invent my own reduced loads with pistol powder in rifle cases, but published loads are safe if your rifle is safe.
     
  8. Claude Clay

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    powder check
     
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    This only has been reported with very slow rifle powders, in very over-bore Magnum rifle cases.

    And there is much speculation that it is not in fact a "detonation" but a stuck bullet causing the problem. Smokeless power used for reloading cannot be forced to detonate, even with a blasting cap booster to get it to do so!

    At any rate, the Hodgdon 8.0 grain Titegroup load is a legitimate and tested safe reduced load.

    It is vital that you use the load exactly as listed however.
    DO NOT reduce it below 8.0 grains, or exceed 8.0 grains!

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  10. Sunray

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    "...Titegroup/Clays..." Note the velocities given for both powders. The bullet is barely moving.
     
  11. neal7250

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    I've never used it for 308, but I use it for just about all of my pistol reloading.
     
  12. LeonCarr

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    I believe those are subsonic loads with the Titegroup powder, designed for suppressed rifles and for "quieter" loads :).

    LeonCarr
     
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  13. ants

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    No, they are all faster than the speed of sound. So they are not subsonic.
    They are just reduced loads for short distances.
     
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