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TMS Shooting .50 BMG

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Working Man, Nov 2, 2008.

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  1. Working Man

    Working Man Member

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    I did not see this listed anywhere....

    I just saw on Fox4 that a .50 BMG dropped through the
    roof of a camper at the TMS today shatering the arm of
    a woman inside.

    Anyone have any more news on this?
     
  2. General Geoff

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    I'm not seeing anything on their website.


    What is the TMS? And did a .50BMG rifle fall through the roof of the camper, or was it a stray round fired from god-knows-where?
     
  3. FlyinBryan

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    all i can answer is "tms" is texas motor speedway
     
  4. FlyinBryan

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    im not seeing it on the fox4 website.

    probably a rumor or somethuing.
     
  5. BillyBothHands

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    I guess all the web guys are off on sunday. I've seen it on every network now but none of them have it on their web site as of yet. So far all i've seen is that they dug the bullet out of camper trailer.
     
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    holy moly.

    whats the max range on one of those?

    that dont look like a rumor to me.

    looks more like about 750g of lead and copper
     
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    Substantial.

    Am I the only person whose first thought was "agent provocateur," à la Enemies Foreign and Domestic?
     
  9. General Geoff

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    No way that could have been staged, or at least staged past "let's fire this thing into the air a bunch of times and watch the news this evening."

    A .50BMG round fired at a 45 degree angle could have a range of 10 miles or more.
     
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    Man, that thing could have been a ricochet from a range miles away. No tellin' WHERE it could have come from.
     
  11. FlyinBryan

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    wow, i had no idea.

    i figured 2800-3000fps, 600-750grains, maybe 4-5 miles.
    but 10!!!!!wow!!!!!

    thats not a rifle, thats friggin artillery.
     
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    Max range is 7000 yards.

    The only gun range within that distance is Quali Creek Public Gun Range. However, their range orientation is in the opposite direction of the speedway. They don't allow FMJ and I don't believe they allow .50 BMG. So they are not likely to be at issue.

    http://cbs11tv.com/local/Jill.King.Bullet.2.854849.html

    Based on the video above, it would appear to have come down at a fairly steep trajectory.
     
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    http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/DomnaAntoniadis.shtml
    9 mm out to 2200 yards!!
    so I think 7000 yrds for .50 being conservative at best
    10 miles is probably accurate not that you could hit anything at range with aimed fire maybe map predicated fire with 100 round plus burst from an m2
    fixed it now
     
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    Your hypertextbook link does not work.

    I don't know what gun you would get 10 miles out of a .50 BMG. The M82A1 SASR (Special Application Scoped Rifle) has a maximum range of about 7000 yards according to the Marines.

    The round itself (versus the rifle) is rated for out to 7400 meters (~8100 yards) according to Biggerhammer...http://www.biggerhammer.net/barrett/faq.html

    So at 8100 yards, that would be less than 5 miles.
     
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    ok, they show the "round" that went through the roof the woman's arm and embedded itself in the wall. Um, isn't it in almost in perfect shape for a round that did so much damage. It must have been looking for a Kennedy.
     
  17. Rob G

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    You know, I didn't think of that before. I don't know that an arm would be enough to deform a .50 bmg. But shouldn't the wall that stopped it have caused some deformation in the process of halting it's momentum?
     
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    Not necessarily. If the rifle was fired from 2 or more miles away, the velocity of the round would most likely be reduced to subsonic. It's quite possible this was a steel core projectile, and probably would not deform much if at all at such low velocities, regardless of what it hit. And considering it "shattered" the woman's bone, her tissue was probably what slowed it down the most.
     
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    Man, how bizarre is that. I'd love to see the entry point of the round in the roof of the camper, and the spot where it lodged in the wall.

    Whatever the outcome, I hope the lady recovers quickly, and isn't too traumatized by this event.
     
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    A 668 gr. M33 ball boattail round with a muzzle velocity of 2900 fps will lose 1100 fps by 1000 yards - down to about 1800 fps. At 2000 yards, it should be down to about 1100 fps. At 3000 yards, it is down to about 900 fps., so subsonic well before 2 miles.
     
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  21. Working Man

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    Not good at any time but with the current political climate this is real bad.

    Is this the first time on record that a .50 BMG has injured someone is the US?
    I know the left is chomping at the bit for more ammunition to ban this caliber.
     
  22. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    Must have been a Jeff Gordon operative, out to get Carl Edwards fans.
     
  23. cassandrasdaddy

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    where are all those "its safe to fire into the air" guys hiding?
     
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    Well I guess we can rule out air-to-air fire.......and it is a little far to the Mexican border.....

    I believe "max range" angle is around 35'. For the .50 BMG ball ammo that would be in the neighborhood of 5 miles. Its terminal angle could be quite steep, accounting for the results described. Certainly, given the condition of the "recovered" slug it was pretty well spent.

    Of course all this is predicated that the "facts" are as reported/represented. Not some fabrication. >MW
     
  25. BillyBothHands

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    I don't have the link yet, but just heard the husband is setting up a website as a petition page to get
    50s banned for 'consumer' use. *sighs*
     
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