TMS Shooting .50 BMG

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Thank you, but no, I wouldn't. I'd be happy my poor mother/grandmother/aunt/sister/wife was ALIVE and lucky enough to live through the ordeal and didn't get hit in the head. Tragic is much overused as a word, IMO. It implies extreme, severe sadness in loss of life. The only way this would be "tragic" short of her death would be if she were to become a vegetable.

It is:

Sad
Terrible
Awful
Bad
Unfortunate
Etc.

Not tragic. The 2004 tsunami was tragic. 9/11 was tragic. THIS is an unfortunate terrible mishap. Sorry, but the overuse of that word is just, well, TRAGIC!!!! (and irritating) Remember, to the gun-ban crowd, when a 19-year old gang-banger is killed during a drug deal gone bad by another gang-banger, dontchaknow that the death of that "child" is sooooo "TRAGIC"?!

it is 3.87 driving miles from the shooting range to TMS. half that in a straight line.

Welcome, harleyman. So we're talking roughly TWO miles, not five. Sounds even more reasonable now.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

So we're talking roughly TWO miles, not five. Sounds even more reasonable now.

harleyman must be referring to Quail Creek. The problem with Quail Creek as being the location of the shooter is that it has ranges where the direction of fire is AWAY from TMS. Plus, they don't allow FMJ and unless things have changed, don't allow .50 BMG. This is the only public range in the area that would be within range of TMS for the .50 BMG. Simply put, we just don't have that many public gun ranges in Denton County, Texas, or gun clubs and Quail Creek is the only one near TMS.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=...-97.215271&spn=0.295476,0.639954&z=11&iwloc=A

 

[dejr2000]

Moss has launched a website telling his story and advocating a ban on sales of .50-caliber weapons to citizens: www.50caldanger.org
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I find it hard to believe that this all happened in 3 days. The man's wife is in the hospital and he manages to take on this cause and get the domain name registered and site up in 3 days? Something's fishy here.

 

[Acera]

I sent him an e-mail and got this response. It seems like a load of BS to me, too set up and contrived quickly. I believe he is an opportunist looking for a way for some cash, notice how he accepts all ccards etc. on his web site.

Read this for what it is, a response to me questioning him on this new cause of his.

evidently you did not read my entire site..

until you've been on the receiving end of one of those rounds you have know idea, freak accident? i doubt it, the more i find out the more pissed i get, you don't know what i know about the incident, Ive read all the statistics ...

the race track takes every precaution to make sure the fans are safe, never did we expect a bullet to come through the roof of our motor home...

this guy is suppose to be an expert marksman with many trophy's in his home, he was 2 1/2 miles from a race track with 200,000 people and 6000 campers in the area we were in and shoots toward it with a rifle that can reach out 5 miles and misses the berm... maybe you can see my point..

i was on a conference call with 6 marine snipers the night we started searching for this guy and to a man they said this weapon should not be sold to the public, my private investigation is running ahead of the police, this is not over by a long shot...

i respect your views,

mel moss

I don't know what statistics he is referring to, I have not heard that many incidents involving 50's. Also the 6 marine snipers is weird, who cares what they say. Why is he running a private investigation? Why not take care of your wife?

This does not pass the sniff test to me.

 

[rondog]

This does not pass the sniff test to me.

It does have the faint odor of poopage, doesn't it?

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I find it hard to believe that this all happened in 3 days. The man's wife is in the hospital and he manages to take on this cause and get the domain name registered and site up in 3 days? Something's fishy here.

This does not pass the sniff test to me.

It does have the faint odor of poopage, doesn't it?

Funny how it is that when our side moves with speed and determination on an issue that we proclaim our side to on-the-ball, smart, skilled, etc. When the opposition does it, we claim a bad smell.

I wish our 2A people could be as expedient as this guy, although a bit more professional and with better spelling. You can get a domain registered in a few minutes. You can have a new web site up and running in less than a day. You can have a CC system up in hours as well. So what is fishy?

You think his wife wasn't shot by the .50 BMG? You think he is doing her wrong in some way? Is it really any of your business, mine, or anyone else's here whether he is "taking care of her" in the hospital enough or not. It isn't like she doesn't have the care of the staff.

The way I see it, he is taking care of her for the long run by competing as much as possible now when she does have all the necessary medical care she can get. He is capitalizing on the moment and making the best out of it that he can. It sucks for us, but he is moving with considerable speed and tact in a manner we wish we could mimic.

His wife is not suffering because he isn't by her side 24/7 to pat her other hand. If he plays his cards right, and he appears to be making that happen, he is helping to assure that his wife will be taken care of for quite a long time as a result of this incident.

 

[Acera]

No I think a number of things about this: some bug the heck out of me.

It was probably an accident, not an intended assault on the race track or it's patrons. (Fortunately for the race track which is probably going to face a lawsuit, either way.)

The man is determined to gain financial benefit from through his wife's pain.

Why is he investigating this himself? More drama?

Why the sudden interest in activism.

I am very interested in learning if the round matches the gun that was turned in for testing. If it does not, lets see if she really got hit in the arm by a falling rifle round. Probably too late for anyone to do definitive testing. I could see the doctors taking their word for what happened and not looking further into the injury.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

"I am very interested in learning if the round matches the gun that was turned in for testing. If it does not, lets see if she really got hit in the arm by a falling rifle round. Probably too late for anyone to do definitive testing. I could see the doctors taking their word for what happened and not looking further into the injury."

i take it you missed post 42 it might help you

 

[TedP]

harleyman must be referring to Quail Creek. The problem with Quail Creek as being the location of the shooter is that it has ranges where the direction of fire is AWAY from TMS. Plus, they don't allow FMJ and unless things have changed, don't allow .50 BMG. This is the only public range in the area that would be within range of TMS for the .50 BMG. Simply put, we just don't have that many public gun ranges in Denton County, Texas, or gun clubs and Quail Creek is the only one near TMS.

I thought I read somewhere that it was a private range. Also, I think the husband's web site called it a "make-shift" range. Could be somewhere not documented.

Edit: Anyone with a bit of experience with web site tools can put up something like this guy's site in a couple of hours. Registering a domain takes no time, especially if you pay for a domain and site space. They usually provide the builder tools.

 

[Acera]

i take it you missed post 42 it might help you

No not at all. I am just not sure if these people are letting the truth get in the way of their lawsuit lottery quest. As far as I know, the bullet has not yet been matched to the gun.


(Plus if you have read the entire post cassandrasdaddy you will notice it was I who put up the report of the guy coming forward first.)

 

[Double Naught Spy]

No not at all. I am just not sure if these people are letting the truth get in the way of their lawsuit lottery quest. As far as I know, the bullet has not yet been matched to the gun.


(Plus if you have read the entire post cassandrasdaddy you will notice it was I who put up the report of the guy coming forward first.)

I am not sure what being the first to report the guy coming forward has to do with the the preliminary test results FROM THE POLICE indicates the rifle turned in matches the bullet recovered.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

i read the entire post i was wondering if you did.
to recap
lady gets shot
guy comes forward owning up to shooting a 50 and that he might be the guilty one
police confirm its his gun
and then folks wanna turn lady's husband's website into some kinda plot
i don't get it and i suspect i'm not the only one

 

[Double Naught Spy]

http://cbs11tv.com/local/tms.bullet.investigation.2.858491.html

Okay, we are now at 2.5 miles (not 5 as originally claimed and as would be beyond the the range of the caliber) and the guy was shooting on a homemade range at a distance of 700 yards and the backstop berm (if that is what is being shown in the video) looks to be woefully inadequate in that it is way too low. He is claiming that the round that hit the race fan was a ricochet.

It will be interesting to see if the bullet actually shows signs of ricochet.

 

[dejr2000]

Wow. We've turned this site into a soap opera. That's enough for me.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

whats drop at 700 yards? did that berm look to be about head high? or was that camera angle?

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Drop at 700 yards will depend on the scope axis height over bore axis, sight-in distance, velocity, weight, and B/C for POA vs. POI issues.

A 662 gr. round leaving the barrel at 2900 fps with a 1.5" scope axis over bore axis that is sighted in at 200 yards and firing a boattail round (as seen in the image of the round), you will have about 93" drop from POA.

Fired level and compared to the bore axis only (not sight over bore), there would be about 129" of drop at 700 yards.

At 700 yards, the original 2900 fps muzzle velocity has dropped to about 2100 fps.

In regard to the berm height, it looked to be 2-4" feet higher than the people standing in front of it...at the highest point. Take a look at the video in the link provided in post #63.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

so at 700 yards if he miscalculated drop badly his holdover mighta cleared the berm