Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by hso, Nov 17, 2019.
Never can get enough of Doug!
I can’t imagine the story I would need to craft if I got my butt kicked by a John Deere ball cap.
“No really there were like 12 of em’. They had baseball bats and knives and one of em’ held me at gunpoint with an AK47 while the others held my daughter. Did I mention I had mono at the time....”
This does, however, illustrate a point or tell people all the time. If you swing a wine bottle upside my head “that is an assault weapon”. Stab me with a screw driver ASSAULT WEAPON. Rag full of ice packs.....assault weapon. People are THE WEAPON. We are tool using mammals and that is why we are at the top of the food chain.
Guy tried to stab me with a screwdriver in St. Louis. I was a better weapon.
I distinctly remember being taught to incapacitate someone with a toothpick if I had to. Gun, knife, pepper spray are luxury weapons. First weapon is your head. Second weapon is your eyes to look around for an improvised weapon.
Human ingenuity and determination is the actual weapon.
The deadliest weapon in the human arsenal is stored within the few cubic inches inside the skull. Everything else are just tools.
A rolled up magazine calmed a drunk visitor that was trying to hurt my patient.
Improvised weapons that I have used, offensively or defensively:
section of fence
-It's all in the mind and in the moment.
In public spaces, I have long missed the ready availability of those small, cheap glass ashtrays that used to grace almost all tables and many counters and other horizontal surfaces. They could be handy for things other than resting a cigarette.
O'course, that was in the age before most of the BGs & Nutters carried a firearm.
Here is a hint : you can duck tape about 8 oz.. of mag wheel tape on weights around the rear half of a good strong baseball cap. One that has a good grabable narrow brim is best . You can reach up and pull it off and practice horizontal swings forward and back handed until you get nose strikes .
I never did it but as a youth the 50's, gang culture claimed you could sharpen the edge of a belt buckle , wrap the end around your wrist, and flail with the sharpened buckle.
I remember when I was eleven or twelve and had lost my temper…
Dad took a 9/16 box end wrench and jabbed it in my armpit then pulled on my arm. I can name very few experiences that hurt more. Nothing ruins a good temper tantrum like wondering if your arm is going to fall off.
Then there was the poor unfortunate in Indianapolis that learned to his sorrow that a farmer's stock cane is a thrusting weapon not a club. The sad part of it is, dad probably would have just handed over his wallet if the jerk hadn't called him a "gimp."
Then there is the local… "Hippie" in town that decided to make a scene with my uncle by saying that I shouldn't be alone with him (my uncle) because all Vietnam veterans were nothing more than mindless killers. Uncle Lee just smiled at him and said that Mister Nixon told him the war was over and it would be rude to go around killing people but the guy should keep in mind he hadn't forgotten how. The guy kind of slinked away and the witnesses had a laugh at his expense. As I recall that was the first time my uncle told me the successful fight was the one that was avoided.
Mayhem for good or for bad is a mindset independent of the tools used. I was taught young that the guy bragging of the fights he's been in has usually lost most of them. The one to worry about is the guy that hates violence so much he studies ways to end the need for violence as quickly as possible.
Cool stuff, great food for thought ... and action. You know, this could also fit in the "Strategy and Tactics" sub-forum.
My dad used to tell me stories about how, as a young unarmed sailor in uniform out on liberty in sleazy port districts, the fashion was to keep a roll of dimes rolled up in their neckerchiefs (centered, which would ride on the back of the neck under the flap of one's "cracker jack" jumper tops) which could be used as impact weapons (but more likely, for emergency funds to get back to the ship after they spent all their money on booze or got rolled when drunk).
Love Doug's approach to fighting -- have fun.
In my younger years during a melee outside of Ft Campbell, Ky I used a napkin dispenser to good effect.
You can also sew fishing weights in.
You can, but it will probably be deemed a "slung shot" if you use it.
I’m very curious about the water heater. It really stands out on your list.
I was gathering scrap metal and newsprint in Bell Gardens, California when I was between jobs.
In fact, no one in my family was employed at the time.
My mother was driving, I was loading.
A couple of dudes decided that we were in their territory and started threatening her.
I had just loaded a water heater.
They claimed it.
I threw it to them.
They didn't catch it.
In fact, it punched part-way through the side of their panel truck.
They decided to leave us alone, and we went on with our route.
I never saw them again.
Well this thread might as well be in the news today. Yes it’s google, but only because everything worth reading is blocked at work and even google gives a decent quick glimpse at what’s going on in the world.
Notice near the top that an elderly woman used shampoo and a lunch tray to fight off an assailant. (Queue thoughts of Ernest P Worl) and near the bottom another story shows that a man used a toy to fend off a dog attack. The world is literally full of weapons.
Also note the last entry - 88-year-old Army vet saves 10-year-old girl using a toy soldier to fight off a pit bull!
Use what you have at hand to do what you must.
Chicago has assault divided into 4 classes for their crime reporting
1) Empty hands
2) Knife / cutting instrument
4) Other dangerous weapon
So far this year, 24 people have been stabbed to death with knives / cutting instruments, 6 people have been strangled, 3 people have been beaten to death and there is 1 vehicular homicide.
Here's one for the record books - one of the guys that stopped the terrorist on London Bridge used a five-foot narwhal tusk... .
Those in charge will let you keep your base ball caps because no one, only armed with a base ball cap, is going to over throw any Government. They will use a board with a nail in it to keep you pacified.
One of the guys. Remember that a fire extinguisher was used and a rugby scrum of Londoners piled on. There were several quick thinking people that took action and grabbed what was at hand to save people.
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