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To those in "contested" states...

Discussion in 'Legal' started by bogie, Oct 27, 2004.

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  1. bogie

    bogie Member

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    You _really_ have to get in touch with friends and family. Talk to folks you know. Kerry, photo-ops notwithstanding, is _not_ a hunter, and would _really_ like to see your "assault shotguns" and "cop-killer sniper rifle" .30-30 lever actions sent to the smelter.

    I mean, sheesh - I can see California, New York, and Masschusetts going for Kerry, but Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan? Talk to your friends.

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  2. CannibalCrowley

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    Michigan is easy to figure out. The unemployment rate is above the rest of the country and we've got a large number of union employees. Why would one think the state would automatically go Republican? C'mon our Senators and Governor are Dems, what do you expect.
     
  3. Daemon688

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    Last poll I saw out for MN, Bush was ahead by 2%
     
  4. Sleeping Dog

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    Yeah. Michigan is easy to figure out. We got Detroit. :rolleyes:

    Regards.
     
  5. Henry Bowman

    Henry Bowman Senior Member

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    I would place a small wager on Ohio going for Bush. However, if it does, there will be litigation.
     
  6. Silver Bullet

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    Believe it or not, there are several long-time members of this forum who are going to vote third party in closely contested states.

    If Kerry wins and their state goes to Kerry, should be interesting to see if they hang around here.
     
  7. telewinz

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    Why shouldn't they? This is THR not the G.O.P.:rolleyes: I first voted in 1970, this is the first time (thanks to Bush's performance) I may leave the box for President blank. Blame Bush, not me. BTW, I live in Ohio and have not missed an election except when I was in the service. I voted for GW and for his 'old man'.
     
  8. Silver Bullet

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    You'll figure it out when you see a vastly accelerated erosion of your gun rights.
     
  9. telewinz

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    Please! you are beginning to sound like one of those shallow political commercials. BTW, who was it that banned the importation of certain semiauto weapons?
     
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  11. telewinz

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    And just how is Kerry going to do all this without a Democratic Congress?
     
  12. Silver Bullet

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    1) Are you guaranteeing the balance of Congress after the 2006 elections ?

    2) What he can't do himself he will set in motion with his Supreme Court appointments.

    3) I'll be surprised if his partner Tort Boy doesn't initiate lawsuits against the industry. Remember the still active agreement with Smith & Wesson ? This won't take any kind of congressional approval.
     
  13. Mr. Clark

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    :D :D
     
  14. Michigander

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    [SARCASM]And we all know that all "conservative" judges appointed to the Supreme Court make "conservative" decisions [/SARCASM]
     
  15. gunsmith

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    if you don't vote Bush in a swing state

    please turn in your guns now.
    Lurch & Tort Boy will make sure that the UN small arms treaty gets signed
    and some lefty will get the SCOTUS too.
    Don't worry you can still own a single shot .22 or shotgun,only you will have to store it at the local gun club and you will have to be wealthy.
    You do not "need" a pistol or semi auto rifle or shotgun-right?
     
  16. CannibalCrowley

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    Not everyone is a one issue voter. Besides, they're both horrible candidates. Slightly different, but equally bad for the country.
     
  17. Monkeyleg

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    "Not everyone is a one issue voter."

    A candidate's support (or lack thereof) for gun rights is the finest filter to determine his views on other issues. If he or she doesn't respect the rights of all gun owners, then he/she doesn't get a chance from me on any other issue.

    The candidate is asking me to entrust him or her with my tax dollars, our foreign policy, committment of troops, and a whole host of other weighty issues. If that candidate doesn't trust me to handle my firearms properly, well, "what we got here is failure to communicate."

    The city councilman wants to be mayor. The prosecutor wants to become the district attorney. The schoolboard member wants to be school superindent. Then the mayor wants to be a state senator. And the district attorney wants to be the state attorney general. And the school super wants to be the secretary of education. And the state senator wants to be governor. And on, and on, and on.

    We've seen some awfully powerful people rise from the lowest ranks in politics.

    Take nothing for granted.
     
  18. Standing Wolf

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    Wherever there are large concentrations of welfare recipients and felons, there are large concentrations of individuals who vote for representatives of the Democratic (sic) party.

    The party of bums and criminals.
     
  19. Mikul

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    Pennsylvania has a lot of conservatives and more hunters than any other state in the country. Most of the hunters see through Kerry. That should be a slam dunk for Republicans and for Bush.

    Two Problems.

    The big cities, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, vote in unbelievable (that's not an exaggeration, the vote tallies are not to be believed) numbers for Democrats. Philly is over 50% black, and they can be counted on to vote for Kerry.

    Pennsylvania has a lot of Union jobs, both currently and historically. The Unions always push for the Democrats and the older Union members associate the Democrats with the party of the people.

    Right now, PA is a great place to live, especially in the Northeast, but it will only stay that way if the voters cherish what they have and vote to hold on to it.
     
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    If the fate of George Bush winning the election squarly on my shoulders and my shoulders alone, I'd still vote for Badnarik.
     
  21. RegBarc

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    Philadelphia is the bastion of liberalism of this commonwealth. I never count on it in an election. Too many crack dealers are registering to vote this election, hopeful they will get a candidate elected that won't fry them for the murders they do when a deal goes bad.

    Otherwise, Michigan is going to the dems, thanks to unions. Ohio is a complete tossup and, as usual, is too close to call. Florida is the same way. Wisconnsin is going to Bush, I think, along with New Mexico. MN, IA, and Hawaii are going to Kerry. All in all, Bush better get the midwest and southeast if he loses Ohio. If he loses Florida, expect 4 years of an utter disgrace to the Republic.

    But, with all that analysis, I still think that if people want to vote Libertarian, let them. Almost as big of a threat to this system as gun control is the idea that two parties should have all the power, and the voters playing into that belief.

    I did an analysis for my ed-op section, here. Took a week to do, but that is what I think the map will look like at 11:00 PM November 2.
     
  22. cracked butt

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    Even though Wisconsin is showing a slight edge to Bush, I'd be suprised if the state went to Bush and there weren't numerous lawsuits filed because of it.

    The lefties are as numerous and as obnoxious here as anywhere else, and are doing everything they can to rig the election as we speak.

    Bush only lost Wisconsin by a few thousand votes last time, and that was with alot of vote fraud in Milwaukee. I expect to see MASSIVE vote fraud and/or complaints/lawsuits of disenfranchisement filed this time next week.:fire:

    It is no longer a democracy if we let the cheaters win.
     
  23. telewinz

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    I use to WANT to believe that but
    How can you ignore this one CLEAR fact that has come out of the debates yet blindly support Bush because he MAY NOT infringe upon your 2nd amendment rights? How about your other "rights"?
     
  24. cracked butt

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    Like what?
    -The rights of terrorists or criminals to not have their multiple cell phones tapped? We can't allow law enforcement to catch up with technology can we?
    -The right of a couple of wouldbe terrorists to a speedy trial instead of being subjected to interrogation in order to prevent more terrorist attacks?Bah! You'll have to dig long and hard to find any sympathy from me for the treatment of someone plotting to bomb an an office building or daycare center.

    I guess the fact that we are at war doesn't register with some as much as it does with others. If you think that Kerry is going to repeal the Patriot Act, you must be drinking some tainted water, he voted for the act.
     
  25. telewinz

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    Because we are at war I have no problem with the Patriot Act. But I do have a problem with the growing proverty class in this country and the hard pressed (declining) middle class. Seems that the Upper Class is the ONLY group that has done well with Bush. A MISSED oportunity...Bush and a Republican Congress! Yet he just wanted to be a war time President, thats pretty weak. JUST FOR THE THR MEMBERS, I WILL HOLD MY NOSE AND VOTE FOR BUSH. You owe me BIG TIME!
     
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