Tokarev TT-33 Buy?

[M91/30]

SOG is having a special deal on romanian tokarevs and I'm thinking I just might get one. What am I to expect when i get it? are they is decent condition? Etc
Also is there anything I need to know before I get it?

 

[harmon rabb]

They're in pretty decent condition. Only thing to know is that the surplus ammo is corrosive, so you need to clean the barrel after each range trip.

 

[wally]

Mine from SOG was mostly free of cosmoline so it wasn't hard to get it ready to shoot. I got two and a bunch of mags, kept the best looker for "collecting", and shoot the heck out of the other.

I can't reload for the price of the surplus 7.62x25 ammo. Only issue is you must clean with water afterwards, not a big deal as the Tok is made for easy cleaning, but sometimes I leave it home if I'm not sure I'll have time to clean it when I get home from the range.

 

[xr1200]

There are some issues with these YUGO Tokarev, with safeties and some other parts and parts availabilty, do a google search on it.

Sure they are a cheap to fire center fire pistol, but are they really practicle for a purely target ,plinking or range pistol.

Compare it to buying a new browning buckmark 22lr target pistol.

Tokarev = poor trigger, non adjustable sights better hope it hits point of aim, no spare parts available, $120 for 1100 rounds thorough cleaning required corrosive ammo, price of the gun $240 with dealer and shipping costs.

Browning buckmark 22lr = great trigger, adjustable sights, very cheap to shoot 1050 rounds for $70, upgradable, and american made, also very accurate and you don't have to clean it everytime you shoot it. $250 -$325 at most shops.

I would rather put out another $129 and buy the sig p6 for $329 from J/G sales

I was often tempted to buy this type of Tokarev surplus pistol, but you have to ask yourself, what are you really going to do with this gun, you can't use it for ccw, and as a plinker or strictly range gun there are a lot better choices out there.

Even though .762 x 25 is real cheap, about $130 shipped for 1100 rounds, you can buy 9mm x 19 for $169 for a 1000 rounds right not and shoot it out of a lot of decent pistols, USA and European made.

 

[harmon rabb]

xr1200, have you fired one? they're just plain fun.... and that's what they're good for -- a range toy.

 

[KodiakBeer]

There are some issues with these YUGO Tokarev, with safeties and some other parts and parts availabilty, do a google search on it.

The OP is asking about Romanian Tok's.

 

[xr1200]

Handled and fired the chinese, polish, and russian , versions. They never really impressed me quality, design, workmanship etc.

Even when they were only $99 , I never wanted to waste the money on one. For $200 at that time they were a lot beter guns to get.

 

[harmon rabb]

Even when they were only $99 , I never wanted to waste the money on one. For $200 at that time they were a lot beter guns to get.

More useful firearms? Absolutely. $200 will get you a CZ-82 or PA-63, both suitable for carry, unlike the Tokarev.

But more fun? I'm not so sure about that The Tokarev is a freakin' blast to fire.

 

[Fastcast]

Obviously, someone has never fired a 7.62x25 pistol like the TT-33 or CZ-52......They're an absolute riot to shoot!

Shooting a .22 pistol after shooting a 7.62x25 would seem like a cap gun with a flag drooping from the muzzle.

Kiwis and watermelons!

 

[harmon rabb]

hey xr1200, since you're hung up on muzzle energy in the other thread, why don't you check out the muzzle energy of typical 7.62x25 loads vs. typical 9mm loads

 

[Fastcast]

Handled and fired the chinese, polish, and russian , versions.

I guess you do get around....lol

 

[xr1200]

back in the late 80's and early 90's , you could get a brand new interams star 9mm for $250 amd many used 9mm non police guns for $200 -$250 like SW 659, 59 etc. when the 5900 SW series 9mm came out and even new ruger 9mm pistols were only $295 new retail.

 

[Fastcast]

hey xr1200, since you're hung up on muzzle energy in the other thread, why don't you check out the muzzle energy of typical 7.62x25 loads vs. typical 9mm loads

My thoughts exactly, in the last thread.....Cheers!

 

[xr1200]

.762 x 25 is a good round and is equal or better than some 9mm loads. But what guns can you shoot it out of ?

There are really no certified self defense hollow point loads that would make the round legal and suitable for CCW use or home defense.

.762 x 25 is also known to over penentrate and even defeat some early bullet proof vests.

 

[Shadow 7D]

some gun have lovers some have haters
if you hate it, then what's the point, personally I'd love to have the money for a matched pair of every one, the commies ode to JMB.

They are a piece of history, that throws little chunks of lead down range in a most spectacular and to quote my brother "WOW, oooh, cool" fashion, and that is from a 34 year old computer game programmer, sadly the most 'range' time he usually gets is reading specs and making the guns look real, so if you are ever playing a computer game, and the Tokarev has a huge flash and the usual boom, he might have programed it.

 

[Joe Demko]

"Waste?"

See, I wanted a TT-33. Not a Buckmark or some other .22. I wanted a TT-33 specifically. I bought a Romanian from J&G Sales early in 2010 and I've been as happy as that proverbial pig with it. It's a blast at the range on reactive targets.

You buy what you want and don't get too hung up on what other people do with their money.

 

[Shadow 7D]

Um, buddy

there is

no certified self defense hollow point loads

for any caliber PERIOD
either that or I'm missing the the foil seal on my federal hps

 

[KodiakBeer]

There are really no certified self defense hollow point loads that would make the round legal and suitable for CCW use or home defense.

What are the "legal" and "certified" defense loads people are allowed to use? "Suitable" is entirely subjective, but I suspect the buyer is more interested in blowing up water jugs and melons, so it's a moot point anyway.

 

[Fastcast]

.762 x 25 is a good round and is equal or better than some 9mm loads. But what guns can you shoot it out of ?

There are really no certified self defense hollow point loads that would make the round legal and suitable for CCW use or home defense.

.762 x 25 is also known to over penentrate and even defeat some early bullet proof vests.

Maybe you haven't seen what basic FMJ/harball 7.62x25 does to ballistic gelatin.

Have a look!

http://www.brassfetcher.com/762x25mm.html

 

[xr1200]

any HOLLOW POINT load that is for personal defense and police use is highly recommended by all CCW trainers and the NRA. Certified may be a wrong choice of words, but you should know the meaning behind it.

 

[bigfatdave]

Sure they are a cheap to fire center fire pistol, but are they really practicle for a purely target ,plinking or range pistol.

Practical, by the way.
And who says you couldn't carry one? People are out there concealing full-size 1911-pattern guns, the Tok is about that size and nicely thin. Why not carry it if it runs reliably? Heck, I'm wondering if I should set my CZ52 up for winter carry, everyone seems to think HP ammo will clog up after going through the seven layers of Bison leather and fluffy down that muggers wear, and I can solve that problem with 1933 technology instead of silly magic bullets.

.762 x 25 is a good round and is equal or better than some 9mm loads. But what guns can you shoot it out of ?

seven POINT six-two millimeter by twenty-five millimeter, by the way.
You can launch those little .30 caliber boolits out of a CZ52, a Tokarev-pattern pistol, or a PPSh variant, and there are Tok-chambered AK47 variants coming out here and there.
The more pistols on the market, the closer we are to modern production HP ammo, and I think just about ANY JHP design will expand at those velocities, I'd be more worried about it shredding than not expanding.
You're right about surplus ball not being the best option for defensive uses, if you're firing into a crowd. I keep it around just in case the tinfoil-hat brigade is right and we all need Kevlar-punching handguns.

It's a blast at the range on reactive targets.

Except when it blows through the targets like they were paper (I've had that happen blasting an Al pot with my CZ52, I thought I was missing at first)

M91/30, I don't know the condition of the SOG guns, but if you've handled a Tok at a shop/show and like the ergonomics, why not go for it? At least you'll get a plinker out of the deal! Grab some spare mags while you're at it, I seem to remember reading about OK guns shipping with trashed mags recently.

 

[xr1200]

Under the current trends in laws, you can't shoot anyone with FMJ loads period.

While you may win a criminal trial, if your loads don't over penentrate and don't hit any innocent ppl. and the shooting is in self defense.

The family or your shooting victim , is going to take you to the cleaners, in a civil lawsuit.

FMJ are simply not acceptable except for target and hunting use ,any CCW trainer wil tell you this and the NRA

 

[bigfatdave]

any HOLLOW POINT load that is for personal defense and police use is highly recommended by all CCW trainers and the NRA.

Neither po-po nor the NRA are unbiased ammunition reviewers.

 

[Shadow 7D]

Oh, and they are build like a brick house, where technology and precision could be supplanted by sheer mass... yeah, we know what the soviets chose.

 

[xr1200]

BIG FAT DAVE - I pity you if you ever get into a shooting, you really need to ask some qualified experts in your area, on what type of loads to carry.