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Tokarev TT3 or Polish P64

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Mudcat Stew, Oct 30, 2011.

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  1. Mudcat Stew

    Mudcat Stew Member

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    I recently gave up my Bersa .380 to my Mother in Law. It was my glove box gun. But something came up around her place and she felt like she needed something around the place...

    I have been keeping my .22 revolver in the glove box for lack of anything else.

    I can pickup either pistol for what I can budget, but not both.

    The P64 reminds me of my Bersa, the TT3 is ugly as all get out.. but I have never handled one.

    If you have experience with either one.. or both. Please sound off and let me know what your thoughts are.

    edit add..
    I have small hands. My wedding ring is a size 9, if that helps.

    All the best,

    Mudcat
     
  2. offthepaper

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    I've handled a P64 but do not own one. The one I handled/shot had the toughest triger of any HG I've ever fired. It was amazingly stiff. In single action it was much better and was even fairly accurate @ 20ft.
    I have a Romy Tok in stunning shape. looks like new. powerful HG, crude, but totally functional. Hard to hit something @20'. also better in SA.

    For the budget yor looking at you may want to consider a CZ82. 9x18, same rd as the P64. But much better made than either of the other 2. nice crisp trigger, great ergo's, some have finish wear but dont be swayed. You can always have it reblued if you want something purdy.
    I love my 82. It goes to the range with me most everytime I go.
     
  3. cooldude14

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    JG sales has CZ82s in .380 for $240
     
  4. TennJed

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    Picked up a russian Makarov 380acp from a pawn shop yesterday for $199 total. I am in love. I am pretty sure if you look up glove box gun in the dictionary you will find a picture of the Makarov 380.

    Give it some consideration.
     
  5. GratefulGuy1234

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    Hi, I have a lot of experience with both. I would say that for what you want, the p64 is ideal. They can be had for very little cash, are a robust and accurate pistol and takes an ok cartridge. The TT33 will cost more, has a poor safety on it for SD and the 7.62 x 25 round would probably shoot through the BG and into something else... I can't believe how it penetrates. I love both guns, I'm working on a Polish collection but the p64 is a great SD gun, the Tokarev is for fun and nostalgia. Sights aren't the best, but with a touch of white paint on the front sight they become usable.

    Scott
     
  6. barnetmill

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    The tokarev with a chambered round and the hammer cocked beats any 9mm makarov or .380ACP. On steel plates it puts them down at least as well as 9mm (7.62x25 has the 85 grain bullet at 1450fps). If you were carrying the gun concealed I could see some preference for the more modern designs in the anemic .380 or 9mm makarov. For a glove compartment gun in a car it should be feasible to rack the slide back or maintain the piece with a loaded chamber and on 1/4 cock position. If you need to penetrate automobile sheet metal the 7.62x39 is one of the best combat rounds out there for doing that. It was designed for penetration of winter clothing and of horses in russia. Soldiers use to fight on horseback in russia.
     
  7. jmstevens2

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    People describe the .40 S&W as "snappy" I don't think so. I do describe my Tokerev that way. I would not feel undergunned carrying it. I only wish I could find jhp ammo for it in case I ever needed to.
     
  8. Jbabbler

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    The P64 would be the perfect carry gun if it were drop safe and had replacement parts available. I own both a P64 and a PA63 and if I ever had to carry one of the two it would be the PA63 based solely on the fact that it has a firing pin block.
     
  9. Fastcast

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    Of the two you listed, I'd pick the CZ82 with FMJ for a glove box pistol. ;)
     
  10. GBExpat

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    I am a TT33 FanBoy.

    I initially held off buying any when they were readily & cheaply available 8-10 years ago (back when SOG had a pic of a case of Polish TT33s on their homepage ... LN for, like, $140?) because I, too, thought they looked quite ugly & ungainly ... until I finally bought one and ... WOW ...

    Flat, concealable, light-weight, comfortable (I take Large-size gloves and my long-thin-fingered hands just fit the standard TT33 grips), hard-hitting, little recoil, accurate, long range and reliable.

    Now, along with that original Polish I own a 2nd Polish, 1 Romanian, 3 Russian and 4 Yugos. :)
     
  11. Onmilo

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    I own a Romanian Tokarev. Great handgun, fun to shoot.
    I have done some shooting with the P64 Polish pistol and am less than impressed.
    I consider neither gun suitable as a serious defense gun.

    Go forth and find another Bersa .380, used if neccessary, they make better defense guns than either of the surplus weapons in todays modern world.
     
  12. EMC45

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    Just saw the P64 is C&R eligible and UNDER $200. Wish I still had my C&R....
     
  13. harmon rabb

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    If you want to keep it in your glovebox, the Tokarev is out because there's no safe way to keep one chambered. The P64 is a fine little weapon... but if it's going to sit in your glovebox anyway, why not getting something a little bigger and a little more fun at the range? Get a cz-82. They're under $200 these days, have 12rd mags, and have sweet triggers.
     
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    Your opinion appears to be rather, um, unstable. Just yesterday in this thread you posted:

     
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    His P64 kicked a puppy at 2:50 AM.
     
  16. k soze

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    You gave your mother in law a gun!!!!

    I'm happy for you and having a good mother in law, my current mother in law would have no issues with me dropping dead now that she feels that no more of my sperm is needed.

    My ex mother in law was a gem, I know she would not have shot me. . This one.... well, best not to take chances.
     
  17. vellocet

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    Get the 64. It is double-action, has a realistic general-use caliber, small and cheap. Also, as much as I like them, the first blast from a tok in a car will affect your second shot. And the cz82 would be better than either. Still 200 c+r.
     
  18. harmon rabb

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    Lol. I've had problems with brand new rugers, sigs, and kel-tecs; never a problem with my "50 year old commie junk."
     
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    I'll venture a wild guess and say the Tok is much more revered, the world over, as compared to the great Argentinian pistole maker Bersa.
     
  20. Buck Kramer

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    I have several ak's and variants, and I have shot a few tt-30's and m64's. To say that it is commie junk along with nothing to back it up is honestly pretty ignorant. Read the book "The Gun" by CJ Chivers and you will find how rigorous the testing was on a soviet bloc weapon before it was even manufactured. There is also much information on how the early m-16's were forced through the system and cost thousands of lives. I am not trying to turn this into an ak vs ar debate, what I am saying is that you are making a HUGE generality about tens of millions of weapons and that is not fair to say without a source or anything to back it up. I have had smith and wesson problems, keltec problems and ar problems, never a combloc problem.

    Back to the point the m-64 trigger pull is about 14 lbs, might be a little heavy for little hands. I have considered it for such use because they are so cheap and there wouldn't be a love loss if someone stole it.
     
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    I have owned all three...CZ82, P64, and Tokarev. Of the three, the Tokarev is the most serious combat pistol. Perfectly suitable for a glove box.
    The P64 is an excellent CCW, and much more accurate than it has a right to be.
    The CZ82 is the best all around pistol of the three.
    If somebody was shooting at me, and all three of these pistols were lying on a table, I would grab the Tok...no doubt in my mind.
     
  22. JustinJ

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    So any gun that is no longer in service is junk but then you recomend getting a 1911? Progress happens but doesnt mean preceeding technology was junk. That is a no brainer.

    And speaking of major no brainers the former soviet union states are no longer "commie land". Not that it makes much sense to judge a gun by political ideologies in the first place.
     
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  23. Deaf Smith

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    They Yogo Tokarev's with the 1911 style safety are excellent!

    I recommend them and Maks for shooters.

    Deaf
     
  24. Dr_2_B

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    Not sure how the CZ82 came into the discussion because I didn't see it in the OP. But I agree it would be the best way to go. OP, if you haven't tried the double-action trigger on the P64, you need to do this. That heavy trigger pull is hard to describe. It's not so much that you run out of finger strength, but that it feels like you run out of distance to pull the trigger before it goes off. I was pretty gun-ho about the P64s, until I pulled the double action trigger.
     
  25. Jbabbler

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    you are so cool
     
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