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Tokarev TT33, Project 9x23 Conversion

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by MagnumDweeb, Oct 27, 2008.

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  1. MagnumDweeb

    MagnumDweeb Member

    Feb 28, 2008
    Central Florida
    Hey everyone I'm off on a project and am looking for where I can buy online a TT33, possilby one of the latest released Romanian models.

    On a side note I'm also looking for spare Norinco 213 9mm barrels. There's on one Gunsamerica but I was hoping to find a more retailer-based supplier. If not, does anyone know if Norinco 213 9mm barrels can still be imported or even if they are still made.

    I'm going to try and convert the 9mm barrel to fire 9x23 or more likely take it to a gunsmith and pay him a hundred bucks or more to take twenty minutes to do it.

    There's a couple of guys who have done the project and are basically shooting in the mid-to-high range of the .357 magnum peformance range.
  2. Marcus L.

    Marcus L. Member

    Sep 20, 2008
    Can't help you with the parts, but good luck and don't blow yourself up. Seems like it would be a lot easier to pick a .38 Super pistol and convert that. After all, that was what the 9x23 Winchester was designed for.
  3. wnycollector

    wnycollector Member

    Dec 10, 2006
    Western NY
  4. makarovnik

    makarovnik Member

    Jul 8, 2006
    How about converting to .38 super. It generates less pressure especially at today's current loadings (I think).
  5. MagnumDweeb

    MagnumDweeb Member

    Feb 28, 2008
    Central Florida
    Thanks wnycollector but I'm here in Florida and the 9mm barrels that can be swapped I can find unfired for $40, granted it's on auction sites but still.

    I don't know the whole import scheme but I appreciate the effort.

    I have given some thought to getting a RIA .38 Super (in and of itself for enjoyment of the caliber) and getting an extra .38 Super barrel from Fusion (asking them to make it a 9x23) but I'm not sure the RIA frame could handle the stress.

    Plus there's this guy 'Clark' aka 'Clark the Destroyer' who seems to have made simple modifications to the TT33 to make it fire 9x23 and .38 Super out of the same barrel as I understand it as well as a whole host of other 'DIY Heroes'.

    As I undertand it the TT33, even the Romanian Surpluses, are made of stamped steel and are a hardy gun able to take the abuse of the 9x23. I'd be looking to Winchester for practice and 9x23 Corbon Powerball for the day I can put three rapid succession double taps(not just ripping out rounds, taking that .25 of a second to reacquire sights on target for the next double tap) inside the 10 ring at seven yards for self defense.

    I've got five hundred bucks burning a whole in my pocket after my latest visit to the casino(put the other five hundred net in the bank and it took me Friday and Saturday to make it, bad economy and old-hand filled tables makes money making difficult) and was looking to try a budget project, I just got the last of my ammo bulk purchase in and wanted to try one my pipe dream multi-caliber projects. If I could find two 9mm barrels I'd keep one purely in 9mm for plinking(or more likely as a spare in case the 9x23 and .38 super wears out) and convert the other barrel to 9x23 and .38 Super.
  6. atblis

    atblis Member

    Feb 19, 2005
    Neither here nor there

    If you just have the itch to play with 9x23 Winchester and aren't attached to the TT platform, you might consider picking up a 38 Super Witness. 9x23 runs in them fine. You should be able to get one for closer $300 than $400.
  7. Mastiff

    Mastiff Member

    Dec 22, 2007
    I've done the conversion following Clarks directions. I already had the drill set and a spare barrel for my Norinco 213. I also had to use the barrel bushing from the Norinco 213 to get the converted barrel to work with my Romy. Sarco had the parts.

    From THR post:

    Take a spare 9mm barrel and ream it out to 9x23.
    That will enable you to shoot the 9x23 Winchester, a much more powerful round than 38 Super.

    From Clark:

    CAUTION: The following post includes loading data beyond currently published maximums for this cartridge. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The High Road, nor the staff of THR assume any liability for any damage or injury resulting from use of this information.

    I converted a Tokarev or two to 9x23mm by reaming out a 9x19mm barrel.
    The Tokarevs are designed for the 7.62x25mm Tokarev round with an OAL of 1.35".

    That is longer than the magazine design for 45acp at 1.275" or 9x19mm Luger at 1.169"

    IIRC, the 9x23mm cartridge is not SAAMI registered, but most put the OAL at 1.245"

    I have been shooting 9x23 in my Tokarev with:
    158 gr Hornady XTP JHP and 16 gr of Power Pistol, 1.36"
    In contrast, the Alliant max load for 357 magnum is:
    158 gr Hornady XTP JHP and 8 gr of Power Pistol, 1.575"

    For those who know what that means, they can see my Tokarev has gone atomic with 9x23mm


    Could you share with me who you got to convert a Tok to 9x23?
    1) Put a 9x23mm reamer in a lathe tailstock chuck and the barrel in the lathe headstock chuck and remove material with Sulfered cutting oil until a case will chamber with the pistols assembled.

    2) Or, put a 9x23mm reamer in a drill chuck, and hold the drill chuck in the right hand and the barrel in the left hand, and give a twist of the wrist until as 9x23mm case will chamber.

    3) Or, use a 115 piece drill set, a drill chuck, and two hands.
    (Had a url to a drill size chart here)
    As you can see, V drill will make a .3770" hole and a W drill will make a .3860" hole. The correct choice for lengthening the chamber is 25/64ths =.3906". This make the chamber .0060" sloppy, but that is fine.
    The throat should be .357"
    As you can see the T drill makes a .358" hole. that is .001" oversize
    23/64 drill will make a .3594" hole, that is .0027" oversize.
    U drill will make a .3680" hole, that is .011" oversize.
    I find that I like the U drill better for getting the cartridge to fall in the chamber, but drill holes made with a twist of the wrist may be a few thousands small.
    I seat a .358" LSWC bullet out to 1.36" and cut the throat until the cartridge falls in.

    If you want 1.36" loads with 158 gr .357" and .358" bullets, then the 9x23mm reamer from Brownells is not going to do it all.
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