ghost squire
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Huh? Are you talking to me or someone else?
Tom Brown's Tracker School
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ctdonath
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Ghost,
That was Peter's comment.
Peter,
We're talking about guns a lot because this is a gun discussion board.
Most people here believe that there IS an active movement in this country dedicated to "making all the guns go away".
While certainly you can, with skill and training, achieve the same ends without a gun as with a gun, a gun makes achieving those ends far easier - which is important to most people, as most are simply unable to put in the "dirt time" needed, and find a gun a highly efficient tool. Yes, hunting may be more intimately meaningful when done as close to "by hand" as possible, but most simply can't afford to go that route.
All,
I've read a couple of Tom Brown's books: one on reading tracks (very good), one on his personal stories (fun). That, plus taking an introductory fire-making course from some of his students, plus other anecdotal input, indicates Tom Brown is certainly worth spending time with. Just as with Ayoob, Cooper, and other big-name teachers, there may be a lot of argument over whether they're any good (ranging down to the libelous), but the main thing to consider is: Tom Brown, like many other big-name instructors, has been teaching a lot of people for a long time - he's got something right, and if you get the chance to learn from him, do so. Arguments over his "spiritual aspects" are a red herring; arguments over under-reported "spent a night in a tree" are a red herring; core point is that he's been known as an excellent teacher of tracking for a long time. If you can attend his school, do so.
That was Peter's comment.
Peter,
We're talking about guns a lot because this is a gun discussion board.
Most people here believe that there IS an active movement in this country dedicated to "making all the guns go away".
While certainly you can, with skill and training, achieve the same ends without a gun as with a gun, a gun makes achieving those ends far easier - which is important to most people, as most are simply unable to put in the "dirt time" needed, and find a gun a highly efficient tool. Yes, hunting may be more intimately meaningful when done as close to "by hand" as possible, but most simply can't afford to go that route.
All,
I've read a couple of Tom Brown's books: one on reading tracks (very good), one on his personal stories (fun). That, plus taking an introductory fire-making course from some of his students, plus other anecdotal input, indicates Tom Brown is certainly worth spending time with. Just as with Ayoob, Cooper, and other big-name teachers, there may be a lot of argument over whether they're any good (ranging down to the libelous), but the main thing to consider is: Tom Brown, like many other big-name instructors, has been teaching a lot of people for a long time - he's got something right, and if you get the chance to learn from him, do so. Arguments over his "spiritual aspects" are a red herring; arguments over under-reported "spent a night in a tree" are a red herring; core point is that he's been known as an excellent teacher of tracking for a long time. If you can attend his school, do so.
Don Gwinn
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Ehhhh . . . . yeah, I'll buy that.
Peter Allen
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Hey everyone, you all have a good point in that sitting up in a tree isn't a good survival shelter, I totally agree. The point of doing it would be to have fun and experience the storm. Thanks to everyone that shared their opinion on the subject, even if I don't neccessarily agree with them it's nice to hear eveyones opinions. What a boring world this would be if we all agreed with each other! Hope everyone has a great holiday season!
grnzbra
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I took his course about 25 years ago. At one point in the class, he asked for a show of hands of the vegitarians in the group and later took them aside, away from the rest of the group. Afterward, I asked one of them what was discussed and she told me that he pointed out that it's easy to be a vegitarian when you have access to a well stocked supermarket, but if you are in a survival situation in the dead of winter, you really need to rethink your postition about killing animals.
Gordon
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That is the best thing I've ever heard about ole Tom! I think he does know something about tracking too!
I should leave it here at well enough alone, HOWEVER:
I would have mentioned to the class in a REAL emergency far away from 911 type of society, how to prepare a tasty cassarole of socialist!
I should leave it here at well enough alone, HOWEVER:
I would have mentioned to the class in a REAL emergency far away from 911 type of society, how to prepare a tasty cassarole of socialist!
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Hey now, not all of us vegetarians are socialists... 
Tofu grows in the woods right... No worries.
Tofu grows in the woods right... No worries.
ctdonath
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IIRC, the final exam for the highest course at Tom Brown's school is:
- helicopter ride to remote northern snowy mountaintop in February
- you are dropped off wearing light clothing (sweatshirt, etc.) and maybe a knife
- helicopter returns two weeks later, leaves with everything you brought, except you
- helicopter returns another two weeks later
- if you're alive, you passed.
While Tom may be quirky, and be center of odd anecdotes, sounds like the core of what he teaches is excellent.
- helicopter ride to remote northern snowy mountaintop in February
- you are dropped off wearing light clothing (sweatshirt, etc.) and maybe a knife
- helicopter returns two weeks later, leaves with everything you brought, except you
- helicopter returns another two weeks later
- if you're alive, you passed.
While Tom may be quirky, and be center of odd anecdotes, sounds like the core of what he teaches is excellent.
Gordon
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"Hey now, not all of us vegetarians are socialists... "
Of course not! I don't even think the vegetarians have a higher rate of that mental disorder than the normal population
I'd NEVER eat a Veggie because he is a veggie.
I'd butcher and eat the heart of a Commie in a second if the gubbamint wouldn't interfere!
The survival school I attented in 1967 in Panama was enough extra learning to add to my growing up in the woods!
My son (now 27) went thru 2 TB courses when he was 20 and 21.
He thinks it was good, but is starting to see lotsa stuff was pretty hokey.
Of course not! I don't even think the vegetarians have a higher rate of that mental disorder than the normal population
I'd NEVER eat a Veggie because he is a veggie.
I'd butcher and eat the heart of a Commie in a second if the gubbamint wouldn't interfere!
The survival school I attented in 1967 in Panama was enough extra learning to add to my growing up in the woods!
My son (now 27) went thru 2 TB courses when he was 20 and 21.
He thinks it was good, but is starting to see lotsa stuff was pretty hokey.
Phrige
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long forgotten thread
long forgotten thread but i thought id just throw my 2 cents in with this link.
http://shop.navyseals.com/detail.aspx?ID=55
He seems to have the Navy Seals approval, so that seems solid enough to me. I've read a few of his books and am definitely interested in his courses.
Pete
long forgotten thread but i thought id just throw my 2 cents in with this link.
http://shop.navyseals.com/detail.aspx?ID=55
He seems to have the Navy Seals approval, so that seems solid enough to me. I've read a few of his books and am definitely interested in his courses.
Pete
Gordon
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My son went thru a week of his school way back then. He's smarter now. The Chief can sure dream up stuff to impress the troops for sure, for $$$. Before making judgements in his favor , I think finding out about the foundation of his course work is important. A "spirit guide elder" he met in a barn in New Jersey and imparted special wisdom to him? I think I'd go for something a little more scientific or at least long term practical experience for a course basis. But thats just my opinion. I did go thru "the Mayflower" course in Panama in 1967, got water boarded (no board just 55 gallon drums!)and a few other interesting experiences, but personal reasearch and preparedness has brought me thru to 63 alive and well!
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