too much magazine capacity?

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I beg to differ.

Too much ammo can get ya KILLED!

How? Because a LOADED gun that weights too much, to ALWAYS have on you, means you are defenseless when it is needed. IMHO, a G17 with a G18 34 round magazine that's NOT within reach = ZERO ammo. However . . .

A J-frame is my constant companion . . . and five rounds, plus a speedloader, is enough to usually let me fight to my other handguns, rifles OR shotgun!


ANOTHER POINT . . .

Where do all those 18 rounds GO inside your house if you unleash your high capacity bottom feeder inside your home?

How many of your innocent family members, on the other side of the walls, may get hit by your massive number of projectiles?

If ya can't get it done, with care and accuracy, with a wheelgun, you probably don't need to be toting a gun. Too many innocent folks being hit by stray bullets these days. Last I checked, killing someone with stray rounds will land you in jail (or the poor house) as fast or faster than JUST shooting the bad guy.

Food for thought,

T.
 
I always carry 1 spare mag for each of my guns in my car, but never with me, I hate having too many things on me.
 
I think the SC might just give us a little bit of a stick to beat the Dems off with. That said, I think that people who are highly trained, shoot more than to qual (you know who you are), and can hit what your aiming at need to be allowed a CCW/CHL what ever you wanna call it.
I think that the Pres contenders are at a loss of how to keep crime off the streets without deporting the problem. Maybe that should be the solution.
Just maybe we should hold the people accountable for their actions and do something about crime besides these early releases and slap on the wrist sentences. Two convicted rapists here in KS last year got probation! Yes, you heard me right! Maybe we should expand the prison out in the desert of Nev. Good enough for the guys fighting for our freedom, better than criminals deserve.

Men have died from not enough ammo. Never from too much.
 
S&Wfan said:
Where do all those 18 rounds GO inside your house if you unleash your high capacity bottom feeder inside your home?
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You are making the assumption that a large magazine, all by itself, will throw your discipline and marksmanship out the window and somehow cause you to just shoot it dry willy-nilly at any old thing, while, conversely, having only five shots forces you to concentrate on marksmanship and making every shot count. Why does it have to be an "either-or" situation?
 
Although I'll carry a Glock 19 (15 round capacity and I so love Glocks!!!), I've always preferred carrying revolvers. Can't give you a good reason since Glocks are as reliable as they come.
So, I'll carry a Ruger SP 101 (.357) and a Taurus 85 or 851 (.38 +P) as a backup. Since the Ruger and Taurus use the same speedloader (with .38 +P), it's not difficult at all to be right up there at 15 rounds.

I'm with Jeff Cooper..."no such thing as too much ammo"
 
My wife bought a S&W M&P9 today and it has 2 X 17 round magazines.
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Sooooo, she can flatten light ammo against body armor faster than you?:D

Seriously, if the gun feels good in her hand and she can hit her target, aannnd she will carry it, she's fine.

I like the comment about weight. I have a SW40VE (no jokes about trigger pull and I won't make any about premature firing;)). I bought the gun because it fits my hand really well, I can hit what I aim at with a high degree of accuracy, and it was the right price (especially with the $50 rebate and the two free mags). That being said, I don't care so much about the fourteen round capacity of the magazines. I was originally looking at a 1911, but just couldn't afford one.

The thing is, as was stated by someone else, that many rounds makes the pistol heavy. Since I'm a big guy I don't so much mind the extra weight, but I think there are going to be times I will miss my Taurus model 85 even though the revolver held nine rounds less.

Of course, just because the mag holds seventeen doesn't mean she has to carry that many in the weapon. If seventeen is too heavy she can carry ten, reduce the weight for comfort, and still have twice what is in your J frame.
 
It's only too much if you can't carry it comfortably. I personally always make sure I have at least 10 rounds on me, whether I'm armed with my Witness Compact 10mm (11+1) and no spare mag or my Kel-Tec PF-9/P3AT with one or two spare mags in my offhand pocket. No, I don't personally see the need to carry one of my 15+ round guns with 4 extra magazines. It's just more weight and bulk than I'm ever likely to need in the event of the already highly unlikely situation that I'll need my gun at all.

My car, on the other hand, is stocked with a .308 autoloader and a couple hundred rounds, because the extra 20 pounds simply doesn't matter there.

If someone wants to carry 3 guns and 167 rounds of ammunition on thier person, that's thier perogative and I don't see a problem with it. But it's more than I'm willing to lug around.
 
I know some knock the J frames with scenarios about 6 attackers, but 18?
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So is what you are sayin that you would be able to take out 6 atackers with 6 shots, and only then would a revolver be inadequate if there were more attackers? Wow you must be the best shot in the world if that is what you mean.

As for me when I carry my pistol it virtually is fully loaded at all times and I always have at least one extra mag, usually 2, sometimes 3 or 4. Why, because if I can be prepared and do it practically, then I may as well be prepared.

Here are some facts:

1) Bad guys usually work in groups of more than 1. You may not always even realize the other guy or guys are there but they often are nearby.

2) One shot threat stoppers are the rarity. Sure they happen, but not as often as are multiple shots needed to do the job.

So ask yourself: If there is another guy in the shadows, and you have to shoot the first guy 4 or 5 times before he ceases to be a threat, will you have enough ammo, or be abloe to reload quickly enough for the second guy, and maybe even the third guy?

As for balderdash like this:

"There is such a thing as enough ammunition. And there is such a thing as not enough ammunition. There is no such thing as too much ammunition."
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The man never had to carry thousands of rounds of ammo with him, or he would have rephrased it. He sure made a lot of silly statements in his lifetime, things he could have said much better with sounding like a nut.
 
Too much ammo can get ya KILLED!

How? Because a LOADED gun that weights too much, to ALWAYS have on you, means you are defenseless when it is needed. IMHO, a G17 with a G18 34 round magazine that's NOT within reach = ZERO ammo. However . . .

A J-frame is my constant companion . . . and five rounds, plus a speedloader, is enough to usually let me fight to my other handguns, rifles OR shotgun!
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Of course, your argument has nothing to do with how much ammo one has, and everything to do with actually having a gun. If your 5 rounds > zero, then 18 > 5.

Then again, you were not using logic to argue, so I doubt if you were actually desiring a reply based upon the logic of your argument/assertion.
 
A carry gun is loaded , period. If an auto with a full mag is too heavy then the gun is too big - whether you are too small or too uncomfortable.

Either get stronger or get a smaller gun.

Some people think a two shot derringer is enough , some like a hammerless 5 shot snubbie , some like guns with calibers that start with "4."
 
after speaking with people who have been in gun fights I've noticed that none never said that they had too much or even enough ammo. Handguns are poor stoppers, sometimes there are multiple attackers, and most people seem to find it very difficult to get hits with handguns in real fights.

I know some knock the J frames with scenarios about 6 attackers, but 18?
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The average hit rate for police is often cited at somewhere between 20-40%. Lets be generous and say you get 40%. Will 2 hits be enough to stop 1 attacker, let alone 2...assuming you beat the odds and didn't only get 1 hit with all 5.
 
Theoreticaly, NO, you cant have too much ammo.

Problem is that pistols big enough to carry that many rounds are not concealable under all circumstances.

There are only a couple of places to conceal a Glock 17 under a polo. none of them are comfortable if you have to drive a car (especially a sporty car with bucket seats), or stand up and sit down frequently. Trust me, having a gun dig into your kidney the entire drive will make you think about leaving it at home.

this is where smaller pistols shine.

Its no that the capacity is bad, but rather that the size that comes with that capacity.
 
In this case, my opinion is that there is no such thing as too much magazine capacity and I've been perfectly happy with my commander-sized RIA with 6+1 as my personal compromise between capacity, weight/bulk issues, and comfort.

I think it's great that people have differing requirements and thoughts on the many subjects on THR except when belittling happens to be a part of it.

Of course, your argument has nothing to do with how much ammo one has, and everything to do with actually having a gun. If your 5 rounds > zero, then 18 > 5.
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I think that was his point. If the reason you don't have your gun with you is because of the extra weight and bulk of 18 or 19 rounds plus the extra weight and bulk of a spare mag or two, then the amount of ammo is quite relevant.

I could also say that since you state that 18 > 5 then you might as well say therefore 300 > 18 and carry ten 30-round mags.


Then again, you were not using logic to argue, so I doubt if you were actually desiring a reply based upon the logic of your argument/assertion.
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I don't think he was actually desiring a reply at all, but it's really nice of you to imply that just so you could feel better about picking apart his logic.
 
I carry a S&W with a six rnd mag. Most of the time I carry one reload. Winter time ...with all the extra pockets... I'll carry two mags. I've never needed any of in. If my mags were fifteen rounders, I'd still carry a reload. I just feel I need a reload. Just me, I guess.

Mark.
 
I could also say that since you state that 18 > 5 then you might as well say therefore 300 > 18 and carry ten 30-round mags.
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At that point, it might be time to consider something belted. Like the a-gunner I mentioned earlier in the thread. No? ;)

I now return you to more serious discussion of the issue. :D
 
This sounds a lot like the whole, "What do you need that for?" argument. Which shouldn't be justified with an answer. Other than: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
But here are a few others.
A few quick senarios

1. Bad guy has a gun with more rounds than you. He's not constraind by the thought of collateral damage.:uhoh:

2. Bad guy wearing body armor or behind cover.:eek:

3. You turn the wrong corner and find youself in gang-land, and they are looking for trouble (All 10 of them).:what:

4. The United Nations weapons collection team is finally making its way to your neighborhood. :fire:

4. Something goes bump in the night. You look outside and there are multiple bad guys (Or zombies:evil:) They shoot first. Its dark and they are not making it easy by standing still. If it comes to it, Do all of your shots hit, or will you possibly need more than one - five.

I understand its not likely that you will be in a Rambo situation (Or slaying zombies). However, One doesnt have to go to far to find a senario that requires a few more rounds of ammo. :scrutiny:

If they get to start telling us what we can have, using the "Do you really need that?" argument. Then we can all just trade everything in for our new Daisy Air rifle (The 600fps ones, not the 1000fps - Because, do you really need that?)
 
At that point, it might be time to consider something belted. Like the a-gunner I mentioned earlier in the thread. No?
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Oh, I see what happened. No, you misunderstood. When I said I'm happy with my 6+1, I meant that I'm happy with my 6 belts of .45ACP plus one in the chamber!

:) One can never have too much ammo, after all.
 
I would personally rather have some extra than run out. Besides a few extra rounds will not ammount to alot of weight.

If you have several extra mags that will make for more weight. To each their own.
 
Well, her M&P9 has room inside the convenient carry handle for 17rnds... so what else are you going to put in there?

Efficient use of space, fill it up to the top with capsulated bad guy repellant.
 
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Pro mag makes a 40 round drum mag for my p-90. :what:Would that be to much? It would depend on if I'm talking to a nervous cop or a pissed off badguy. I'm sure there are a lot of well trained people who when put in a stressful situation may not hit their target with every shot. I'll carry as much as I can. I don't think I'll ever get in a situation where I need my gun and look down and say DARN, TOO MUCH AMMO!:banghead:
 
No such thing as too much ammo, unless it become too much of a burden to carry it. I'd much rather have 6 rounds left in my 12 round magazine than 1 too few in a j-frame.... simple enough.
 
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