Tools Made in the USA.

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  1. Savage99

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    All the stuff from China and other imports is putting us out of work. We need jobs. We used to make stuff here!

    I want another long nosed pliers for the bench. I already have one in the car and in my late dads mechanics tool box. His was made by Snap-on Tools USA.

    Its a No 96. Vacuum Grip!

    When I am in a store like Home Depot or Lowes I will ask for pliers made in the USA. Lets see what I find out.

    http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=hand&item_ID=15576&group_ID=759&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog
     
  2. jmorris

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    Snap-on has failed to keep the made in the USA standard they are so proud of too. I can't figure out why they didn't just change the name to bluepoint like they do on their other over sea tools. Not exactly China but Taiwan is no USA


    http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?search=true&item_ID=77862&PartNo=rwa404&group_id=20240&supersede=&store=snapon-store&tool=all

    Product Specifications
    Stock # RWA404
    Name Set, Ratcheting Wrench Adaptor, 4 pcs.
    Price** $61.60
    Brand Snap-on
    Country Of Origin Taiwan
     
  3. Savage99

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    What is your point? Should I give up or try to buy pliers made in the USA?
     
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    Don't give up! You just can't trust a "brand name" to be made in the USA.
     
  5. earlthegoat2

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    Me thinks Craftsman is still made in the USA.
     
  6. a5werkes

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    Stanley Proto......the professional / industrial division, tools made in the USA.
     
  7. Old Shooter

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    Don't hold your breath looking for tools made in USA at Lowes of Home Depot.

    They may have a decent selection and prices but almost all of their tools are made overseas, usually China.

    Lifetime guarantee on their house brands and decent quality but not made in the good ole USA

    I look for USA whenever I buy anything and it can get frustrating to say the least. Proto slunds like a good one and I would check out the Sears products, mayby their Craftsman brand is USA?
     
  8. Savage99

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    Thanks guys for the tips on Proto and other USA made brands. There is an industrial house not too far from here. I need to find out more.
     
  9. Slamfire

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    You can still find decent used American tools at Flea Markets.

    That is where I purchased my 3/4" rachet wrench.
     
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    Mostly. They're made by Danaher, the same company who makes Matco tools. You can see the similarities in many of them, though the Matco line is higher quality.

    http://www.danaher.com/
     
  11. a5werkes

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    Here is a collection of information regarding who makes what tools and "Made in the USA" claims.

    Lowes now (as of earlier this year) is selling a line of Mechanics Tools called Kobalt which is made by Snap-On.

    Home Depot's Husky brand is made by Stanley Mechanics Tools, a division of the Stanley Works.

    Until 1994 or so, Stanley also made Sears Craftsman tools. Sears Craftsman is now made by Danaher Tools. They beat out Stanley on the contract over price. Danaher also manufactures MatCo Tools, the third largest player in the Mobile Automotive industry (behind MAC and Snap-On). Odds are, if you own any Craftsman tools that are older than about five years ago, they were made by Stanley in plants in Dallas, Texas, Witchita Falls, Texas, and Sabina, Ohio.

    Stanley also owns MAC Tools and manufactures MAC tools in the same plants. Now here's the kicker: MAC Tools, Proto Tools (a very expensive industrial brand), Husky Tools, and, (prior to five or so years ago) Craftsman Tools are all made from the same forgings in the same plants. Proto is unique because it goes through additional testing and certification because it is used by NASA, the military, and industrial customers (including General Motors).


    The following information from Dan Peronto a Tool Designer for Snap-on Tools at the Kenosha Mfg Plant:
    From: "Peronto, Daniel J."
To: "John T. Blair"
Subject: Hand tools
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:44:50 -0500
    I was reading on your site about 'who makes what tools' http://www.team.net/www/morgan/tech/whotools.html. One part explains that the various manufactures use 'the exact same forgings' for all the various brands they sell. This is NOT true for Snap-on tools. Our retail brand Kobalt sold through Lowe's stores, shares very little if any traits with our traditional Snap-on line. They are made in the same plants, but most of the manufacturing tooling is different. They are made by the same UNION skilled machinists using the same tried and true processes. The designs for these tools are completely different. They use different material and are heat treated differently.
    I hope this clears things up slightly

    Dan Peronto

    Tool Designer
Snap-on Tools
    
Kenosha Mfg Plant

    November 2009:
    In a major consolidation of the tool industry, Stanley Works agreed to acquire Black & Decker in a $4.5 billion all-stock deal, the companies said Monday.
    Stanley, which is a leader in hand tools, owns brand names including FatMax, Bostitch and Mac Tools. Black & Decker, known for its power tools, owns Kwikset, Baldwin and Price Pfister, among others.

    Stanley Tools Settles "Made In USA" Charges
    June 11, 2006 
The Stanley Works, a U.S. toolmaker, will pay a $205,000 civil penalty to settle Federal Trade Commission charges it falsely claimed its Zero Degree ratchets were "Made in the USA." It's the company's second offense.
    The FTC says the claims violated a 1999 order issued against the company to resolve earlier allegations that it had made the same false "Made in the USA" claims.
    The 1999 order prohibits it from, among other things, misrepresenting the extent to which any professional grade hand tools, including wrenches, ratchets, sockets, and chisels, are made in the United States.
    "Many consumers rely on Made in the USA claims when choosing products. They expect those claims to be truthful," said Lydia Parnes, Director of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection.
    "Companies that market products as Made in the USA must verify information from their suppliers before they make that claim."
    According to the complaint, the Zero Degree ratchets, made under Stanley's MAC Tools trademark, were marketed as Made in the USA, when the foreign content was actually a substantial part of the product.
    For a product to be labeled Made in the USA, it has to be all or virtually all made domestically.
    A manufacturer may still label a product as Made in the USA when the cost of any foreign parts and foreign labor involved in making the item is negligible.
    The settlement imposes a $205,000 civil penalty -- a significant portion of the profits made from selling the mislabeled wrenches -- and prohibits Stanley from violating the 1999 order.
    By filing this new complaint, the expiration date of the 1999 order is now extended to 20 years from the date the new complaint is filed.


    NEW YORK

    Announces Update to Class Action Lawsuit class action lawsuit

    Against Sears, Roebuck and Co. Across the country in Sears stores it has been observed that Craftsman "Made in USA

    The Made in USA mark is a country of origin label indicating the product is "all or virtually all" made in the U.S. The label is regulated by the Federal Trade Commission.

    “Made in the U.S.A. " claims have been blacked out. Lawyers for tool buyers, Goodkind Labaton Rudoff & Sucharow LLP, as part of their investigation, have observed that Sears has changed its website and blacked out "Made in USA" claims on tools across the country.

    Before a complaint was filed, Sears used to project an image that Craftsman tools were "Made in USA". In response to the tool buyers' lawsuit, Sears has altered the website.

    Barbara J. Hart, partner at Goodkind Labaton Rudoff & Sucharow and attorney for the tool buyers, says "it is our view that Sears' efforts to black out its "Made in USA" claims and alter its website are clear admissions that the "Made in USA" claims were false when made."

    The original claims include allegations that print ads, signs, labels, and the website, which all promote Craftsman as "Made in the USA", led consumers to purchase the tools out of a sense of patriotism. Consumers were also led to believe that Craftsman is of high quality because it is "Made in the USA." Pictures attached to the complaint clearly show metal parts from Austria, Denmark, China, India and Mexico on Craftsman tools boldly labeled as "Made in USA."
     
  12. Savage99

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    Thanks all for the information.

    To comment on this post:

    "Home Depot's Husky brand is made by Stanley Mechanics Tools, a division of the Stanley Works."

    Just because some co. or brand is a division of SW does not insure that its made in the USA. Many SW tools are china made.

    The original "HUSKY" brand was made by the New Britain Machine Co. of New Britain, CT. That co. is closed now! They were another large NB mfg. co.!
     
  13. a5werkes

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    Husky hand tools were formerly manufactured exclusively in the United States[2] but are now largely made in China.

    All Husky hand tools have a lifetime warranty; however, the customer must have the original receipt to redeem it, as once printed, but now offers a hassle free lifetime warranty of any Husky hand tool equal in value as published in an internal Home Depot Memo in march of 2010. [ ref: The Home Depot (2004-01-04). "Weekly sales flyer"]

    Stanley did get a little loose and easy with the facts regarding Husky and a number of other tool brands they manufactured, which resulted in this legal action:


    1999 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION
    In the Matter of
    THE STANLEY WORKS, a corporation.

DOCKET NO. C-3876
    COMPLAINT
    The Federal Trade Commission, having reason to believe that The Stanley Works ("respondent") has violated the provisions of the Federal Trade Commission Act, and it appearing to the Commission that this proceeding is in the public interest, alleges:
    1. Respondent The Stanley Works is a Connecticut corporation with its principal office or place of business at 1000 Stanley Drive, New Britain, Connecticut 06053.
    2. Respondent has manufactured, advertised, labeled, offered for sale, sold, and distributed products to the public, including mechanics tools.
    3. The acts and practices of respondent alleged in this complaint have been in or affecting commerce, as "commerce" is defined in Section 4 of the Federal Trade Commission Act.
    Husky Mechanics Tools
    4. Respondent has disseminated or has caused to be disseminated advertisements, catalogs, packaging, labeling, in-store displays, and other promotional materials for certain of its Husky combination wrenches and sockets, including but not necessarily limited to the attached Exhibits A through J. These advertisements, catalogs, packaging, labeling, in-store displays, and other promotional materials contain the following statements or depictions:
    A. Television Advertisement, Exhibit A:
    Shows mechanics at work using Husky combination wrenches and standard sockets. Voice-over states: "We told these mechanics that Husky tools were American made and guaranteed forever."
    B. Print Advertisement, Exhibit B:
    A photograph of a man holding a combination wrench while working on his car. The words "Made in U.S.A." appear on the combination wrench.
    C. Catalog, Exhibit C:
    "The Husky name was first registered back in 1924 for use on quality US made Mechanics Tools. . . . Husky tools are made to exact standards in state of the art manufacturing plants in Dallas, Texas"; and

    A logo consisting of an American flag with the phrases "Made in U.S.A." and "Guaranteed Forever" ("U.S. flag logo").
    D. Catalog, Exhibit D:
    "American Made to Meet or Exceed ANSI Specifications"; and "Made in the USA."
    E. Catalog, Exhibit E:
    "Made in the USA"; and U.S. flag logo.
    F. Catalog, Exhibit F:
    U.S. flag logo.
    G. Packaging and Labeling, Exhibit G:
    "Made in U.S.A." in black and white; and U.S. flag logo.
    H. Packaging and Labeling, Exhibit H:
    "Made in U.S.A." in red, white, and blue; and
    "Made in U.S.A." in black and white.
    I. In-store Display, Exhibit I:
    "All Husky Tools Made in USA"; and U.S. flag logo.
    J. Product Registration Card, Exhibit J:
    A depiction of a U.S. flag.
    5. Respondent has distributed or has caused to be distributed certain of its Husky combination wrenches and sockets marked with the following statements:
    "U.S.A."; or
    "Made in U.S.A."
    Proto Mechanics Tools
    6. Respondent has disseminated or has caused to be disseminated advertisements, catalogs, packaging, labeling, and other promotional materials for certain of its Proto combination wrenches and teardrop ratchets, including but not necessarily limited to the attached Exhibits K through L, that contain the following statements or depictions:
    A. Catalog, Exhibit K:
    Logo consisting of the words "Made in U.S.A.," appearing next to a silhouette of the continental United States that is covered by the U.S. flag.
    B. Stanley Catalog, Exhibit L:
    "Proto was the first hand tool manufacturer to produce and market the combination wrench in the United States"; and
    Photographs of combination wrenches marked "U.S.A."
    C. Packaging and labeling:
    "Made in the U.S.A."
    7. Respondent has distributed or has caused to be distributed certain of its Proto combination wrenches and teardrop ratchets marked with the following statements:
    "U.S.A."; or
    "Mfg. U.S.A."
    Blackhawk Mechanics Tools
    8. Respondent has disseminated or has caused to be disseminated promotional materials for certain of its Blackhawk combination wrenches, open end wrenches, box end wrenches, flare nut wrenches, sockets, ratchets, flex handles, wrench sets, and socket sets that contain the following statements or depictions:
    "America's Best";
    Photographs of certain tools marked "U.S.A.";
    "Made in America"; or
    "American-Made."
    9. Respondent has distributed or caused to be distributed certain of its Blackhawk combination wrenches, sockets, flex handles, box end wrenches, flare nut wrenches, and open end wrenches marked with the following statement:
    "U.S.A."
    Challenger Mechanics Tools
    10. Respondent has disseminated or has caused to be disseminated promotional materials for certain of its Challenger combination wrenches, sockets, combination wrench sets, box end wrench sets, open end wrench sets, and cold chisel sets that contain the following statements or depictions:
    0. Photographs of a combination wrench marked "U.S.A.";
    0. Photographs of sockets marked "Proto U.S.A.";
    0. Photographs of cold chisels marked "U.S.A."; or
    0. Photographs of combination wrench sets, box end wrench sets, an open end wrench set, and a cold chisel set in roll-up pouches that state "Made in U.S.A."
    11. Respondent has distributed or caused to be distributed certain of its Challenger sockets, combination wrenches, open end wrenches, box end wrenches, flare nut wrenches, and cold chisels marked with the following statement:
    "U.S.A."
    Master Mechanic Mechanics Tools
    12. Respondent has disseminated or has caused to be disseminated certain of its Master Mechanic combination wrenches, sockets, and socket sets with labeling or other promotional materials that contain the following statement:
    "Made in U.S.A."
    13. Respondent has disseminated or has caused to be disseminated certain of its Master Mechanic combination wrench sets and socket sets with packaging, labeling, or other promotional materials that contain the following statement and depiction:
    "Made in U.S.A." next to an American flag.
    14. Respondent has distributed or caused to be distributed certain of its Master Mechanic combination wrenches, flex handles, and sockets marked with the following statement:
    "U.S.A."
    Stanley Mechanics Tools
    15. Respondent has distributed or caused to be distributed packaging, labeling, or other promotional materials for certain of its Stanley combination wrenches, box end wrenches, open end wrenches, ratchets, combination wrench sets, and socket sets that contain the following statements or depictions:
    "Made in U.S.A.";
    "U.S.A.";
    "Tools made in U.S.A. Case made in Taiwan.";
    A logo consisting of an eagle head on an American flag and the words "Made in U.S.A.";
    Photographs of combination wrench sets and an open end wrench set with "Made in U.S.A." on their packaging; or
    A silhouette of the United States showing Stanley plant locations.
    16. Respondent has distributed or caused to be distributed certain of its Stanley combination wrenches, open end wrenches, and box end wrenches marked with the following statement:
    "U.S.A."
    Caterpillar Mechanics Tools
    17. Respondent has distributed or caused to be distributed certain combination wrenches and cold chisels that it manufactures for Caterpillar marked with the following statement:
    "U.S.A."
    John Deere Mechanics Tools
    18. Respondent has distributed or caused to be distributed certain combination wrenches and sockets that it manufactures for John Deere marked with the following statement:
    "U.S.A."
    Martin Mechanics Tools
    19. Respondent has distributed or caused to be distributed certain ratchets, flex handles, and sockets that it manufactures for Martin marked with the following statement:
    "U.S.A."
    Wilde Mechanics Tools
    20. Respondent has distributed or caused to be distributed certain sockets that it manufactures for Wilde marked with the following statement:
    "U.S.A."
    21. Through the means described in Paragraphs 4 through 20, respondent has represented, expressly or by implication, that certain of its mechanics tools are made in the United States, i.e., that all, or virtually all, of the component parts of such mechanics tools are made in the United States, and that all, or virtually all, of the labor in manufacturing such mechanics tools is performed in the United States.
    22. In truth and in fact, a significant portion of the components of certain of respondent's mechanics tools is, or has been, of foreign origin. Therefore, the representation set forth in Paragraph 21 was, and is, false or misleading.
    23. The acts and practices of respondent as alleged in this complaint constitute unfair or deceptive acts or practices in or affecting commerce in violation of Section 5(a) of the Federal Trade Commission Act.
    THEREFORE, the Federal Trade Commission this second day of June, 1999, has issued this complaint against respondent.
    By the Commission.
    Donald S. Clark
Secretary
    SEAL:
     
  14. 1SOW

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    As has been said, think again. At least some of their tools are made to Craftman's 'specifications'.

    Go to Dallas and the World Trade Center, a neat building. I went there years ago for a college class in business.

    You'll see MANY of Craftman's power tools and more displayed under their Asian manufacturer's name.
     
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    Dude was asking about pliers not power tools. I am fully aware of Craftsmans Asian power tools.
     
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    Buy the real brand of "Channel Locks" ....made in USA, same Meadville Pennsylvania plant for over 100 years.

    I think Channellock makes standard pliers and what not also. Still high quality compared to the China knockoff brands.
     
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    +1 on some Channelock products being 100% USA made. Generally speaking, the ones with the all blue handles are made here. These are quality tools that are made from proper materials for the task, feel great in the hand, and will easily outlast you.

    This company, like most these days, does have import products too though, so a little research is required before you hand over your money.

    Their website has the history of the company on it. Here is an excerpt...

    Today, two CHANNELLOCK facilities in Meadville provide more than 200,000 square feet of manufacturing, warehousing and office space. Channellock, Inc. manufactures more than 120 different sizes and types of pliers and other hand tools, while employing nearly 500 full-time associates. It is the largest industrial employer in Crawford County, Pennsylvania. CHANNELLOCK has over 4,000 wholesale and retail customers in the United States, and ships to customers in 45 countries around the globe.
     
  18. Claymore1500

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    I once had a "Husky" brand wrench, ( the tool fairy had left it in a parking lot where I worked) it was an open end 1/2" 9/16" combination wrench, about 5 inches long.

    I found that I could literally BEND the wrench in my bare hands, I would not take a truck load of "Husky" tools on a bet, I don't care where they are made.
     
  19. Savage99

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    I found the last long nosed pliers made in the USA in an old hardware store selling out at 50% off so I got them for $8.

    Now I want a new lockset for the door. Lets see if I walk the talk and buy USA!
     
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    I bought a garden hose at Home Depot 2 weeks ago and it was MADE IN THE USA out of recycled materials.

    I was SHOCKED.

    Of course it was $25 too for a short hose.
     
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    On power tools, we're pretty well screwed.

    Most are China

    Dewalt is mostly Mexico (better)

    Porter Cable/Delta are Taiwan (much better than China, but still imported)

    I am not aware of any, except perhaps a few very specific specimens, that are made in USA

    Some air tools are, but most aren't. The higher quality ones are sometimes assembled in USA. Most of mine (big name stuff like IR and Snap-on) are Japan and Taiwan. I do have an older MAC gear drive 3/8 ratchet that is very boldly emblazoned with "MADE IN USA". Love that one, except for the busted knuckles.

    Sticking to made in USA is difficult with most things, impossible with many. I do my best, and am willing to spend substantially more for it, sometimes several times more. But I wouldn't be able to watch television, listen to music or post on these boards if I were 100% unwavering. It sucks.
     
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    I found a very nice set of punches at HD made in the US, branded Baltimore Tool but they're a subsidary of a bigger punch/chisel maker in NE. They seem like very nice punches.

    Remember to consider where the added value is on some things, an iPod is assembled in china/indonesia, but the vast majority of the sales price goes to apple's designers and domestic chip makers, simply looking at where assembly is done isn't always enough.
     
  23. Oyeboten

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    Fifteen years ago I was talking to some people about locating some obscure hardware items for Furnature related things...anyway, they were hip to having things made in either of the two chinas.

    They were saying, "You can have anything you want on it, if you want it to say Made in USA, Made in France, whatever, no problem..."

    I have seen a lot of chinese stuff which says 'Heche en USA' for that matter...


    Lol...

    It's all BS land now...

    As for me, it has always been the same - If I want 'Good' Tools, good Machinery, I look for old US made ones, stuff from before the War, or into the '50s maybe, or '60s even, depending, it varies for what it is...and thats as new as I would oblige for most things, if now and then being alright with more recent things in some cases.

    "BluePoint" at one time were superb Wrenches, and, the old ones still are and always will be, but those were from I dunno, maybe, the 1950s at the latest, and probably farther back even, but they were 'Steel', and yes, they would rust if left out in the rain.

    If it is not elegent, high grade, thoughtfully designed, and a Steel able to rust if left in the Rain, I would prefer not to have it in my Tool Box, thank you...I prefer to enjoy my Work, and how it gets done.
     
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    and for those of us how go to gunshows and check out accessories there is a town called USA in Taiwan, I've seen several items that say made in USA and then a smaller Taiwan under that. So in fact a Made in USA sticker could be made here or there.
     
  25. jcwit

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    I've heard about this for years and years, used to be a town in Japan, then it was a town in China, now its in Taiwan. I started my working career at a Hardware back in 1955, and have yet to see tools stamped as such. Lets see a picture.
     
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