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Top 5 milsup bolt-action rifles to own?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by valnar, Mar 4, 2012.

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  1. valnar

    valnar Member

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    I won't be a large military surplus rifle collector, but I will go for quality over quantity. What do you think are the best bolt-action military rifles to own?

    I currently have a Swedish Mauser m/38 and a Finnish M39. I wouldn't put the Mosin in the top 5 category, but I bought it nevertheless. At least I got the Finnish M39 version. :) My next purchase is probably the Swiss K31.

    Assuming quality is more important than historical significance or commonality, what are the next two rifles I should entertain? And to make this easy, no, I don't own any 8mm Mauser variations just yet.
     
  2. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    #1 = A 1903 Springfield, if you can afford a good high-number one.
    (If you can't, then a 03A3 Springfield.)

    #2 = A good K98 German Mauser.

    rc
     
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    #3 No.4 Mk 1 Enfield
     
  4. Vern Humphrey

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    The top five are:

    1. M1903 Springfield.
    2. M1903A3 Sprinfield.
    3. M98 Mauser
    4. No.4, MK I (or II) Lee-Enfield.
    5. No. 1, MK III Lee-Enfield
     
  5. valnar

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    A K98 over one of the "newer" VZ or Yugo variations? I've only done enough research to be dangerous, but remember, historical significance is of little importance to me.

    If a K98 is truly the best option, it gets put on the list.
     
  6. wlewisiii

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    No particular order:
    1) Mauser K98
    2) Lee Enfield #1 MkIII*
    3) M1903A3
    4) M1917
    5) M1892 Kraig

    And if you can actually find one, an 1895 Lee Navy is seriously cool. I wish I'd had the $1,500 the one time I saw a bubba'd one.
     
  7. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    Early in the war, the K98 & G33/40 quality was head & shoulders over anything built since.

    IMO: But especially the Yugo.
    It isn't even a true 98 Mauser, as the intermediate action length is shorter, and some 98 Mauser parts like the bolt and firing pin won't even fit a Yugo.

    rc
     
  8. wlewisiii

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    On the K98 issue: I would look for a pre to early war K98 or a pre-war VZ-24 from Brno. I prefer 7x57 over 7.92x57 but either will do well for range shooting.

    A WWI vintage G98 (rifle length vs "K"arbine length) would be good as well.
     
  9. nathan

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    From oldest to newer milsurp i owned,


    1911 Swedish M 96
    1927 Izhevsk M 91 /30 Ex Dragoon
    1942 Sako M 39
    1949 Fazakerley No 4 Lee Enfield
    1955 Swiss K 31

    Scrubbed Yugo captured K 98 still in cosmolene
     
  10. skidooman603

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    I agree on above and add 1917
    Whoops missed its mention...
    Didn't mention Norwegian Krag 6.5
     
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    Springfield 1903

    No.5 Enfield Jungle Carbine

    Colombian Model 1950 FN Mauser .30-06

    Carl Gustav M96 Swedish Mauser

    Swiss Karabiner Model 1931
     
  12. Dr.Rob

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    1. Kar 98K
    2. Enfield of some type
    3. 1903 or 1917 Pattern US rifle.
    4. Moisin Nagant to taste. (could be a Finn or a Russkie or a Remington)
    5. Arisaka

    Why? Because these rifles (or types) were fired in anger in 2 world wars.
     
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  13. GD

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    Top 5 milsurp bolt actions (in order of my humble opinion of classiness)

    1) Mauser - the epitome of bolt actions
    2) Enfield #4 Mk1 - a rifle built for battle
    3) Model 1917 - what the Springfield 1903 should have been with sights and robustness.
    4) Finnish M39 - The best of the most produced bolt action of WW2
    5) Swiss K31 - straight pull but the epitome of accuracy and fine craftsmanship

    I could put more on this list easily - collect them all!
     
  14. murdoc rose

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    The m1903 is a must have actually Id advise buying everyone you come across.
    Enfields of all types are fun I personally like the savage made no4mk1*s the best
    I've always felt that buying whatever I come across that fancy's me at the time to be what I end up with.
     
  15. Tempest 455

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    My K31 is hands down my most accurate milsurp I own.
     
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    It kinda depends what you're looking for. Are you wanting the 5 best made, or 5 to represent the different types?

    If the latter:

    M1903 (best Mauser)
    Enfield
    Mosin-Nagant
    Carcano
    Schmidt-Rubin.

    In those 5, you basically represent the widest array of designs.

    If I could only keep 5 of mine:

    M1903
    M96 Swede
    M1911 Swiss
    M93 Spanish
    No.4 Mk I/III Enfield

    M93
     
  17. Harvey/ Ga

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    +1....mine has the Grunel sights (open, fine adj. W&E).
     
  18. GCBurner

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    It would be easier to go for a Top 10 or Top 20 list than to try to narrow it down to five. Just in US rifles, I'd like a Krag, and 1903, a 1903A3, and a 1917. Among the Mausers, I'd want a German 98 and a Swedish 96, at the minimum. Both the Enfield No. 1 Mk III and the No. 4 are iconic rifles that served in both World Wars. A Swiss K31 would be really nice to have, as would an Arisaka and some version of a Carcano, and of course no militaria collection would be complete without a version of the Mosin-Nagant. That's 12 rifles right there. If I had to trim it down to 10, I could probably drop the Krag and the later version of the Enfield.
     
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    Can't believe only 1 other person said a Mosin Nagant, when I guarantee/assume everyone who has posted so far owns one.
     
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    Might as well make it a 5+1 list, with the +1 being a Mosin.
     
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    1. M1903 Springfield 7.62x63
    2. Swiss Karabiner-31 7.5x55
    3. Persian BRNO M98/29 7.92x57
    4. Swedish M-96 long rifle 6.5x55
    5. FN-49 7x57

    The top 5 that I want.
     
  22. wlewisiii

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    Thanks, but no thanks. Just can't warm up to them.

    But as an alternate suggestion, one of the various delightfully weird rifles that the French built - Lebel, Berthier, or reasonably easy to find, the MAS M1936.
     
  23. Float Pilot

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    Hmm, only five? Well I get all hot and bothered about...

    Swedish m/94 carbines. Unaltered.
    Swedish m/94-14 carbines.
    US Krag 1896 carbines (Rough-riders used them in Cuba)
    US Krag 1898 rifles.
    US Springfield 1903 (Late Rock Island Arsenal if possible)
    Swede m/96 Rifle (1900 Oberndorf preferred)
    Canadian Ross MKII Model of 1905 "Straight Pull" or a MKIII Sniper variant...
    Model 1895 Mauser, Transvaal or Orange Free State Contract in 7x57mm.
    Bruno Mauser Persian Contract in 7.92x57mm.
    UK, Model 1888 Lee- Metford, in 303 Black powder / early cordite.
     
  24. madcratebuilder

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    USGI mil-surp collection well exceed five rifles. They well not be getting cheaper any day soon.

    Krag
    US Springfield M1903
    US M1917
    M1903A3
    M1 Garand
    M1 Carbine
    M1A/M14
    AR15/M16

    The Yugo Mausers are still a good buy and plenty on Gunbroker. I looked through four pages of them yesterday and saw a few good deals.

    M1924
    MOD98
    M24/47
    M24/52C
    M48
    M48A
    M48B
    M48BO

    The Swiss straight pulls are up in price and well probably keep going up.
    K1911
    K31
    K31-43/44
    ZFK-55

    The Lee Enfields can be a large collection to cover the major models and variations.
    No1's
    No4's MkI and MkII, plus 1/2 and 1/3's
     
  25. Beak50

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    You guy's got everything I own covered except for the 30-40 Krag and 6.5x55 Swede.I almost brought a Krag at the show this wknd.but like someone said prices aren't going down.They wanted $850.00 for it and I just couldn't bring myself around to paying that much for one when they use to be fairly cheap when I first got into guns.The price of ammo at the show out of control,we'll be re-loading 7.62x54 soon along with the other old mil-surps unless you want to shoot corrosive junk.
     
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