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Toughest, beefiest 357 Magnum? Ruger Redhawk??

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Peter M. Eick, Mar 10, 2013.

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  1. CraigC
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    The "theory" is well tested. The same gun in .45Colt, which has a lot less meat around the chambers, is safe to 50-55,000psi. So chambered in .357Mag, there is no way you can get enough slow burning powder in the case to hurt the gun. You'll reach the compression limit of H110/296 before anything bad happens.


    Regardless of differences in the lockwork, the Redhawk is based on the Security Six design. There's more to the design of a revolver than the lockwork.
     
  2. Peter M. Eick

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    I almost went after the $1200 one on gunbroker. I posted here instead to ask if I should have. The answer is yes but I got mine (now) for a lot less when it shows up.....

    Still WOG!!!!!!

    (Waiting On Gun)
     
  3. DWFan

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    Wait til you get your Redhawk and someone tells you that you can convert it to use Dan Wesson barrels and shrouds.
    Oops, did I say that?
     
  4. bluetopper

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    The best magnum handgun powder for over max testing is Accurate 4100/Ramshot Enforcer (same powder).

    Very fine granulated and you can load it very dense and heavy yet slow burning like you need. You can put much more weight of it in a case than you can H110 or 2400. A lot less muzzle flash too in comparison.

    4100 and my FA 44 Mag have teamed up for some great experimentation.
     
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  5. Lost Sheep

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    It has been done.

    http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/showthread.php/110325

    Post #43 on page 3 posted by jwp500 2/25/2012

    Lost Sheep
     
  6. DWFan

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    Sure it's been done. It is/was available thru Clement's Custom Shop for several years. The first conversions used Dan Wesson barrels. He still does one or two on a special order basis, I believe but the custom barrel is the only option now. I just wanted to tease Mr. Eick since I'm pretty sure he has a spare DW barrel or two.
     
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  7. Peter M. Eick

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    Now that is absolutely "Cool"!!!!!!!!

    :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

    I had never even considered such a thing and yes, I have 715 barrels and shrouds.

    I will have to complete my experiments with the 357 Magnum and then get it converted. I am pretty sure I have a 8" and a 6" VH (Vent Heavy - full underlug) barrel for my old 715 but I should really get a 6" and 4" VL (Vent light - no front lug).

    Now I really feel better about buying the Ruger!

    Thanks!!!!!

    :):):):)


    Still WOG though

    (Waiting On Gun)
     
  8. DWFan

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    You can't use the small frame shrouds. The conversion requires the large frame shroud and, in your case, either an M40 SuperMag or custom barrel.
     
  9. Peter M. Eick

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    Bummer. Oh well, I have a MD40 supermag, so I have the tools. Unfortunately its blued. I will have to hunt up some barrels and shrouds for it. Now the decision. Blued to match the MD40 or Stainless to match the Redhawk?

    Decisions, decisions.

    Still WOG!

    (Waiting On Gun).
     
  10. Cosmoline

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    I'm WOW (waiting on weather). We're in yet another blizzard now. So next weekend maybe. I've got a number of 200 grain hardcast loads worked up with H-110 and Ramshot Enforcer. I've also worked up some 180 Hornady SSP loads though these need to be seated back a ways to fit in the chamber. They're intended for use with T/C's. By taking them back as far as I can and still get a good crimp, and gently taping down the exposed lead tip of the bullet, it will just fit in the chamber. I suspect those are not going to work well but you never know. Even a slight shift in recoil will jam up the cylinder. If you were to cut off the exposed lead tip entirely it would probably work fine at least as far as chambering.

    Still keeping all pressures to high end of the usual .357 Mag range. Not pushing it into Max territory. And if I do, it occurs to me that I'll need to use trimmed down .357 Max brass in order to have the usual benchrest rifle primers. But to my mind, the main point of this piece is to shoot stout Mag loads with low recoil and high accuracy. So if it does that I'll be happy.
     
  11. DWFan

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    If you want a heavy bullet that will fit the chamber, a Lyman #327627 215gr SWC seated to its lower crimp groove will work. The www.handloads.com website has a 1200+ fps load using 13.5gr of Lil'Gun in a 5.5" Redhawk.
     
  12. eldon519

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    I was pretty interested in getting something like a FA83 and letting the .357 magnum "be all it can be" I guess you could say. When I was reading about it, I got the impression that the most extreme "353 Casull" loads basically ruin the brass by loosening the primer pocket with 1 or 2 firings. I haven't done it myself as that turned me off from it, but that's just something to think about.
     
  13. Peter M. Eick

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    Got an update. The gun is on the way.

    I am no longer "WOG" (Waiting On Gun).

    I am now "WOU" (Waiting On UPS!)

    Yeah!
     
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    Keep us informed. I have a 357 Redhawk that I want to push as well, but only to a certain extent to keep its value.
     
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    Why not look for something in .357maximum?
     
  16. Peter M. Eick

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    357maxes.jpg

    I already have several which I shoot a lot.

    max_brass.jpg

    I load a lot of max as you can see.

    This quest is not about achieving some power level. I could easily do that with other rounds and other guns, this is about trying to understand what the 357 Magnum could do back in the day. The original 357 Magnum loads did around 1550 with a 158 LSWC out of a 8 3/4" barrel.

    My design goal is to recreate that power level with modern powders.

    Because this will require going above SAAMI "modern" specs for the round, I want to get something beefy I can work out the loads with, guess at the pressures and then take the lowest pressure ones and cross check with my 8 3/8" pre-27's. This way I can boot-strap my way up to 1550 FPS without taking the risks on some very find 1950's vintage Pre-27's.

    I could do it with my Maxes but that would not be as much fun!

    I will say as I have learned more about the Redhawk, I am now starting to think I need to find a 7" version over the 5.5" version I bought. Oh well another quest. First though I will play with my 5.5" Redhawk that should be here mid-week.
     
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    Hey Peter!! There is a law against having too much fun, ya know!

    Keep us posted.
     
  18. Cosmoline

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    I wonder if old Elmer has some "hot" data in his Gun Notes.
     
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    The redhawk is a stout gun but it is not as tough or durable as the single action blackhawk.
     
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    Mr. Eick,
    Contact the gentleman at EWK Arms and see if he'll sell you a stainless .44 Mag shroud by itself. The .357 Maximum barrel you'd need shouldn't be too hard to find since those revolvers came with two from the factory. If nothing else, Green Mountain has 1:14 twist stainless blanks.
     
  21. Thaddeus Jones

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    The title of "toughest, beefiest 357 magnum" is held by the French Manurhin MR-73.

    Show me one other 357 revolver, made by anyone, that will go 200,000 rounds of Norma 158 grain 357 magnum with no appreciable wear, or change in the sub 1 inch accuracy at 25 meters.

    I wish I owned one...........
     
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    The beefiest .357 I have ever held was a Dan Wesson Super Mag. It was actually a .357 Maximum chambering but will shoot .357 Magnums, and .38 Specials as well. It was as heavy as a Desert Eagle and the regular .357 Magnum rounds felt like specials when I shot it.

    dwsuper2_zps35eb792e.jpg
     
  23. Peter M. Eick

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    I picked up the Redhawk today. It is a beast! It looks in great shape and there is so much steel around it, it is hard to describe. It makes my N frames look dainty.

    I will have to pull out the Supermag and compare it but they seem close to the same size!

    Pictures and gun review to follow.

    Now I need a 7.5" barreled one! Another quest!
     
  24. Peter M. Eick

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    For those of you still following this long thread, I have now achieved the next goal.

    I have a 7.5" Redhawk 357 Magnum inbound. I should have it next week and then I can do a new thread on the both of them.

    I like the 5" so much I started looking for a 7.5" and I found one in a few hours. I was really happy and ordered it immediately.
     
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    Glad you found your "holy grail". I've just begun to become a 357 nut and am playing with a blackhawk now. Heavy bullets pushed as hard as possible(safely) is my quest. I'm waiting on some 250 gr gaschecked bullets now.
     
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