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Training with airsoft/BB guns

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by Hunter125, Sep 6, 2013.

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  1. bdickens

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    Despite some of the naysayer's complaints about accuracy, weight distribution, lack of recoil, etc, I believe there is great training value to be had with Airsoft.

    The accuracy can be just fine. I have a cheap CO2 Airsoft. It prints a little low, but I can put multiple rounds through the same hole. Yes, the pellet is going to drop significantly more as your ranges increase than a real bullet will. This is easily compensated for by using scaled-down targets at closer ranges.

    You still have to use marksmanship fundamentals like sight picture and proper trigger manipulation. If you jerk the Airsoft's trigger, you're still going to shoot low and in.
     
  2. Nickel Plated

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    Many airsoft guns, and pretty much all airsoft guns of anything resembling decent quality have a hop up system to compensate for this. It's essentially a little bit of rubber at the top of the bore towards the chamber. When the BB passes it, the rubber creates friction at the top of the bore inducing a backspin on the BB (much like when you throw a baseball) this generates extra lift which keeps the BB flying in a straight trajectory for some distance before dropping. A good hop up can make the BB seem like it's just floating waaay downrange without dropping. Most are adjustuble to be set for the muzzle velocity of the gun and the weight of BB being used. Heavier BBs are generally better for accuracy but do have lower muzzle velocities.
     
  3. tuj

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    airsoft is the only way the Japanese can train.

     
  4. Hunter125

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    So the WE brand is of decent quality? I can't see paying nearly double for the Mairu if the WE will be good enough.
    Also, is it not a requirement that they have the orange tip? I saw some that did, some that didn't.
     
  5. tuj

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    yes the orange tip is a US requirement.
     
  6. Nickel Plated

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    The orange tip is required for importation, sale, and I think (don't quote me on this one) transport between state lines for COMMERCE.
    Otherwise, once you buy it, you're free to get rid of it.
    The usually come in two varieties. Either the tip of the barrel (or slide if the barrel doesn't protrude) is painted, Or there's just a plastic plug or cap aatached. The paint is generally very weak and can be chipped or thinned off. At worst sand it off and repaint the part.

    For the plastic cap, Just pull it off with pliers, might take some force.

    On rifles, they sometimes just screw on an orange flash hider and include the black one in the box.
     
  7. BHP FAN

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    I like training with airsoft. The law around here takes a very dim view of you shooting your pals with real guns.
     
  8. Tomac

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    I picked up the LaserLyte laser training cartridges and targets. My pistols (SIG P250 & SIG P290RS) are DAO so it affords realistic training w/the actual pistol. W/a non-DAO pistol they're still doable but you have to reset your trigger between shots.
    Tomac
     
  9. mdauben

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    I'm not familiar enough with Air Soft guns to comment. Actual "BB guns" on the other hand are generalally inaccurate, smooth bore guns that IMO don't lend themselves to any sort of precision shooting. Perhaps one of the "reproduction" BB guns could be useful in practicing of weapons handling, drawing, etc. but I'm not sure how much good it would be for actual shooting practice. On the other hand, adult air guns with rifled barrels firing lead pellets are often amazinly accurate and in some cases powerful enough for small game hunting.

    I've used a .177 cal single stroke target pistol and target rifle for indoor practice for decades. The current ammo shortage and insane prices for .22 ammo just makes them all that more attractive for training and general target practice.
     
  10. OrangePwrx9

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    I've found practice with pellet guns, handgun and rifle, to be very helpful.

    My current favorites are a Crosman 1377 pump handgun, a 2240 CO2 handgun and a 2100B pump rifle. They're very inexpensive to buy and shoot, reliable, and very accurate. Plus Crosman is a local company, so I can get stuff fixed quickly...not that I've had to.

    I had an 30 year old Crosman 766 pump rifle that worked until recently. That did require some attention when it quit; but it works now.

    The pump-up guns are great when you only have time to shoot 10 or 20 shots. The CO2 guns should be shot until the CO2 cartridge is depleted to save the seals. That can take 40 to 60 shots with the 2240.
     
  11. Bikewer

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    I just did our second session of "MACTAC" training. This is something all area police departments are doing; an extension of the "active shooter" training most everyone has done by now.

    This is bigger-scale stuff, much more like military squad/small unit tactics. The idea being to let officers from different departments all get on the same page regarding tactics and movement in case a really big incident should occur.

    I think this was mostly prompted by the big terrorist attack in Mumbai a couple of years ago, where a small group of terrorists nearly locked down a major city for some time.

    Anyway, all this is done using airsoft weapons; Glock and Sig blowback pistols and AR clones.
    We just transitioned from the Glock 23 to the Sig P229, and the gun I used was a "K-Works" 229 clone.
    It was pretty darned realistic. Weight, feel, action.... And, according to tests by various parties on YouTube, quite accurate.

    I think airsoft excels at this type of "tactical" training. The guns are certainly accurate enough for this, and the pellet is just potent enough to sting without requiring any great protective gear.
    We wore typical protective masks and were told to wear long sleeves and trousers..... I caught one in the knee and it raised a blood blister.

    I liked the pistol so much I'm considering buying one... About 130 bucks.
     
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