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Troopers to be Charged for NFA Violation

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Leatherneck, Feb 9, 2006.

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  1. Leatherneck

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    This from the 8 Feb Belleville News-Democrat, via Free Republic:
    Some of the responses from Freepers are distinctly non-THR LEO-bashing. Let's not have that here please.

    TC
     
  2. WT

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    We had a similar situation here but the feds did not get involved. It was handled in state court. The state court found that the local officers had done nothing wrong and were allowed to keep their machineguns.

    Wonder what upset the feds?
     
  3. Rumble

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    Hmmm.

    Well, here's my stance on it: let it play out in court. If I were found in illegal possession of an automatic weapon, whether I intended to violate any statutes or not, there's no "internal disciplinary action" that would be suggested in place of 10 years in the slam.

    I assume that there may have been some confusion on the part of the officers over whether as LEO's they were exempt from the requirements (for instance, they reason that they can use the weapons on the job, so perhaps there's no big deal in taking them home). I'll grant that they probably didn't intend to violate the law. But I still think they need to ride this one out in our jujishal shisshem.
     
  4. PATH

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    The law should be applied equally to all citizens. Just my opinion.
     
  5. StopTheGrays

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    Does he also get the same deal? If so, then I do not see a problem.

    Some more info on this:
    http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:GaMF0Vr98rIJ:www.ksdk.com/news/illinois_article.aspx%3Fstoryid%3D90860+Dr.+Harold+Griffiths&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=8

     
  6. Soybomb

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    If it were me, I suspect the signers of that letter would have no problem seeing society being safer with me in jail for the same violation. Sorry, but they're trying to protect their associates. If you don't like it, change the law, but don't ask for special treatment.
     
  7. sm

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    Re: NFA and all the other Gun Restrictive Measures .

    Sure is a waste of lots of monies and manhours. I mean just really what has come out of these Restrictions?

    I got an idea. Why don't we get rid of all these Restrictions and leave We The People the hell alone.

    Elected Officals can do the job the COTUS and BoR outlines for them.

    Time spent Gubmint Meddlin' could be use for more productive matters. Free People could be more productive in whatever pursuits they choose.

    It is never the tool itself, it is always the intent of user.

    Be it a M16, Elected Office, Word Proccessor, Pen & Paper, or sharp pointy stick.

    Hell even water may used with the intent of doing harm to something or someone. Drowning, Scalding a Child, Pouring into Internal Combustion engine...




    Steve
     
  8. Graystar

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    Public confidence in the judicial system is always fractured when police are treated differently when they commit crimes. They should definitely be charged and prosecuted in federal court.

    The conduct is possession. Someone should remind Sen. Bill Haine exactly what that means.

    Like is says...they hadn’t submitted the proper paperwork.

    If I had tried to possess my firearms in NYC without submitting the proper paperwork, I would have gone to jail. Right or wrong, the law is the law and it has to be obeyed.
     
  9. Ohen Cepel

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    They commited a crime. I don't see what the debate is.

    It's very sad that they didn't go about doing it the legal way. However, if joe citizen did the same thing he would be crushed. I can't see why they should be treated differently in this case.

    However, I think that they should be cut some slack due to the fact that they have been good citizens and contributed positively to society. It's not as if they are career bad guys.
     
  10. Sergeant Bob

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    What's good for the goose............
     
  11. boofus

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    If those guns are not in the NFA registry as property of their agencies then they should be prosecuted like any other citizen with an illegal MG.

    If those guns are properly papered and owned by the agencies I don't see what the problem is. How each agency issues weapons is their own business.
     
  12. Chipperman

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    Edward McNally-- "The statement added, "Many would say that at the charging level, they (troopers) should be treated the same as any other citizen.""

    THE SAME AS ANY OTHER CITIZEN. McNally has it right.


    LEOs are not above the law. They allegedly broken the law. They should have a fair trial, and be sentenced (if found guilty) THE SAME AS ANY OTHER CITIZEN.
     
  13. Michigander

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    First of all, I do not agree with NFA and all the other INFRINGEMENTS.

    But until they are revoked, we should be equally treated in the eyes of the law.

    This does not mean however that these guys should see jail time. I do believe a fine is in order and the felony conviction (assuming it goes that far) placed on their record. The police officers involved should not be allowed to be police officers again.

    Another side of me still says that if they can "get away with it," then good for them because after all, they are citizens living under UNconstitutional laws too.
     
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    Wonder if we can now get the Illinois State Police to come out in favor of abolition of the NFA!:cool:
     
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    All citizens should be equal in the eyes of the law. The same processes and penalties should apply to all.

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    Slam 'em then change the law. Make a big publicity push out of the slammed ossifers and doctor but change the freakin' law. Then go back and offer pardons etc to anyone in the joint because of the law.

    The law is the problem. Something about shoes pinching keeps running through my mind. :fire:
     
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    Hear, Hear! +1
     
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    I must agree with soybomb.
    Officer or not, a crime is a crime. If your going to throw "good citizens" in jail for owning illegal weapons then your forced to throw "good officers" in jail as well.

    These guys are aimed to spend time in prison because their papers were not in order.
     
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    They should bretreated no different than someone they would arrest for having an illegally possessed machine gun. As a matter of fact they are worse. No sympathy. Put me on the jury. Maybe they would come to the realization that the law is unjust and needs to be changed. If the police never have to pay the consequences of the laws we all live under then they will continue to stand behind, give support to their buddies the corrupt politicians who appoint them and support their pet UNION. Public employees should not be allowed to unionize period.
     
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    The law is the law Ignorance of the law is no excuse, that what ossifer Vest would tell you while he was arresting you at the range after hearing you fire a machinegun, or after you failed to produce your FOID for that 10/22 you were shooting.

    These are police officers they should, and did know better, they thought they were above the law.

    I would throw the book at them.

    Goose Meet Gander.
     
  21. Rockstar

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    What upset the feds is that it's a federal law that was being violated. They still could prosecute your locals.
     
  22. buzz_knox

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    I'd say that what upset the feds isn't known yet. There may have been more involved in the acquistion and disposition of these weapons than is known. Either that, or somebody ticked off the feds at some point concerning this situation (i.e. trying to get it dropped before charges were filed) and tried it with the wrong person.
     
  23. scout26

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    That may have been what ticked off the feds. They put in "Da Switch" on two AR-15's. This is not a case "Ooops, I accidently brought an M-16 home with me when I left it in the trunk of my squad car."

    Yes, NFA is wrong. I really want to see Director Trent come out in favor of repealing it. Then I'll watch pigs fly out my butt.

    When I was an MP we were held to a higher standard then "ordinary" soldiers. I Article 15'd (and maxed out) one of my soldiers who went the wrong way down a one way street. Sorry, no slack for LEO's who break the law. Plus given what other "problems" the ISP has had recently there is definitely something rotten in Denmark.
     
  24. MechAg94

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    I would say that what upset the feds might be that the gun was in the possession of the Doctor. That means the gun was in the possession of a 3rd party who was not an LEO. Not only did they take it home for personal use, but they let someone borrow it or illegally transferred it at worst. I am curious how that doctor entered into the picture.

    The other issue I have is these guys are supposed to be enforcing the law. I think they should at least have some idea of what the law and regulations are. Sounds like they didn't.
     
  25. Sam

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    If MechAg94's theory is correct, doesn't that lend more credence to the us vs them theory of law enforcement.

    "Nothing is better for thee than me"

    Sam
     
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