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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by HANDLOADER, Aug 16, 2008.

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  1. HANDLOADER

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    :(Has any one else began to notice this new trend in the gun forms? I read a hand full of gun chat forms just about every day and am begining to notice that people want to turn a harmless situition into a deadly situition. Has somthing changed about the way people think. Do people still believe in the value of human life. I have a good example of this someone is being yelled at and they draw their weapon. Then what? Are they going to kill someone just for yelling at them. NO! So why did they break leather then. And the answer I always recieve "I THOUGHT MY LIFE WAS IN REAL DANGER". I myself have only had to break leather once in my life and that was the scariest moment I have ever been put in. A home invasion gone wrong. I was home . They left but the point is I meet force with force didn't go over board just fought fire with fire. So why are people now wanting to get blood on there hands over the smallest things that truely don't become a life or death situation. I will leave you with that question to respond to.

    God Bless

    Handloader
     
  2. hso

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    Let's hope they're just internet posers beating their pigeon chests and letting out their warrior yop (after a hit from the inhaler) from their mother's basement across the vast expanse of the internet.

    Either that or we're the TV/Movie/Video Game brainwashed knuckle dragging idiots the Antis tell everyone we are.

    Luckily most THR members are neither of those extremes and those few that are get outed by the rest of the folks here pretty quickly.
     
  3. FCFC

    FCFC Has Never Owned a Gun

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    Yes, I've noticed that trend in gun forums.

    I think that a certain segment of the gun owner/carrier population is kind of perturbed about politics, immigration, the economy, etc. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who come into their lives with some conflict or rudeness and they just sometimes feel the need and ability to escalate situations up to and including deadly force. Sometimes, even when it is not justified. Sometimes, when it is not prudent.

    Basically, lot of these escalaters are not thinking too well. And more citizens are carrying today than at any time in history.

    THR is one of the best gun forums around at keeping the real heavy bloodlust stuff out of the forum. Otherwise, it would be much worse here.
     
  4. Arkie

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    I thought that was quite funny.

    Time for school to start so it should slow down.
     
  5. azhunter122

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    I have noticed this too, and don't really appreciate people saying that if you draw your weapon you must shoot or don't draw at all. My dad had a situation where he could have shot someone but he simply drew his weapon and told them to leave. Everything worked out fine and the BG got caught. I am glad he didn't shoot. I saw the whole thing! It was back when I was a kid bout 4 years old.
     
  6. Elza

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    I believe that hso has it right. Otherwise the MSM would be overloaded with CHL shootings. And we all know that the MSM would be all over this like white on rice.
     
  7. dalepres

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    Can you cite any examples of people trying to turn harmless situations into deadly? I just haven't seen it as a common thing in the forums I read.
     
  8. antsi

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    I'm not going to put words in anyone else's mouth, but to me, this is a sentiment that started out as a reasonable word of wisdom but then became distorted or misunderstood.

    What I would agree with, generally, is the statement that if the situation does not justify the use of deadly force, then don't draw your weapon. If the aggressor is not presenting you with a lethal threat, then don't present him with one.

    HOWEVER, this is NOT saying that once you draw you HAVE TO shoot.

    If you are facing a lethal threat and draw your weapon, and then the situation de-escalates or the aggressor backs off or whatever, then of course you don't have to shoot. If the situation is no longer a lethal threat, then don't make it into one.

    I think this statement about "don't draw unless you intend to shoot" was originally intended to dissuade people from using their guns for leverage or intimidation or emphasis in situations that wouldn't justify the use of lethal force. To clarify this, I'd say "Don't draw unless the situation would justify shooting."
     
  9. Bezoar

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    dont draw if you arent going to shoot is the correct adage to use. ie, if you cannot or willnot shoot the mugger or wannabe assaulter to alleviate the risk of bodily harm to YOURSELF. then do not point a weapon at them, otherwise they will take it from you and beat you to death with it.
     
  10. Drgong

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    Growing up in Gastonia I learned that one of the best things you can do is just walk away.

    Some folks have this thing called "pride" where if someone calls you a Blank, you have to get in there face and then if they shove you pull out your gun. Stupid, Just be polite and you hopefully won't have to pull.


    Now if a guy comes at me with a Butcher Blade, then its time to pull the gun (and in this case, the guy will get .38 speicals in his center mass)

    Then agian, if I had to shoot someone, I know I would not have a problem right then... two hours later I might be puking, but thats just me being honest.

    There is less "I can't wait to shoot someone" on THR then most fourms.
     
  11. Pat-inCO

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    I think a portion of it is the anonymity afforded by "handles". How many people do you see with any part of their name? To me, that same group that tends to hide behind the "handle" does not supply city or state.

    While there are some really good people that use a handle and think a lot before they post, they seem to be in more of a minority. Unfortunate.
     
  12. 230RN
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    Huh?
     
  13. Feud

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    The internet has single handedly created more six foot five, 200 pound (all muscle), crack shot weapon experts, who have stormed the beaches of Normandy, and who cut crime in a given neighborhood by 67% just by their mere presence. Their situational awareness is superb due to their clairvoyance in knowing exactly who and what is a threat regardless of whether or not the threat has made any kind of overtly threatening actions, developed over years of study of Gun Mags from back "when they were good".

    These Nietzschean Supermen now do us a service by warning humanity of how they will not only shoot when said clairvoyance allows them to realize that they are in danger, but that they are free of all legal ramifications of such. We would all be lucky, nay, blessed to reach their pinnacle of achievement one day.

    :neener:
     
  14. bogie

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    Hi there...

    I'm one person sitting in a cube on the Washington DC beltway.

    I am here to discredit you. I am here to make you look like the imbecile that we all know lives between Virginia and California.

    I'm going to say things that are totally off the wall, and because you want to fit in with a group, you are going to agree with them. In fact, you are going to say things which will hurt the concepts you claim to believe in. Because I am a better debater than you. I was hired because of that.

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    But it isn't about debates. It's about civil rights.

    So... Think about who you jump to agree with on these internet forums...Think about HOW you think - are you fueling it with a momentary testosterone surge, or are you using your brain, and looking at all angles?

    Because some of these folks may be looking to make headlines of a 60,000+ user internet forum.
     
  15. yokel

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    Perhaps society is more violent than it once was and the norms of acceptable behavior have changed.

    Frequently, these are people who don’t know how to deal with anger, fear, or frustration in their daily lives.
     
  16. Monkeybear

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    This is a quote a friend sent me on myspace a year or so back-

    This is another great quote that I keep in mind while on the internet-

    Anyway, I think the truth in this matter is to be found somewhere between these two quotes. Some of these people are serious and some are not. Some are somewhere in between and most likely do not truly mean what they say one way or another. Even if they do mean what they say, it is likely in principle only.

    A friend at work was telling me about how if guns were banned the cops would never take his guns while he was alive. He looked me straight in the eyes and said "Let them come, we'll see how many of them it takes" or something like that. I looked him right back in the eye and said "Dude, you have like a wife and kid. Your not gonna get yourself killed or imprisoned. You have to take care of them." In principle he was willing to die for his Second Amendment rights.....maybe, but in a practical sense he was not.

    So the truth is somewhere in between

    1. Saying things that sound righteous and/or representative of their core concepts and views.
    2. Saying things to "stir things up"
    3. Saying things they actually believe and making us all look bad in the process.
     
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  17. Ala Dan

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    Only once, in my lifetime have I had "to break leather" as you say. Then,
    and only then I thought I was 'bout to be shot by a thug my partner and
    I had chased for miles; only too find out he was unarmed, at the time of
    arrest. Case scenario goes kind'a like this, as best I can remember:

    A black Pontiac Trans-Am passed us at a high rate of speed 'bout 0230
    hrs one Sunday morning. With me driving, my partner and I turned 'round
    on him; and pursuited him for several miles. After a lengthy chase, he
    dedcided to pull into his very own driveway; but refused to get out of the
    vechile, instead sliding further down into the drivers seat and placing his
    right hand inside of the console. At this time, I draw my 6" S&W model
    19 and yell, "DON"T DO IT"- "COME OUT WITH TOUR HANDS IN THE AIR".
    Needless to say, it took several more minutes to persuade this thug to
    exit the vechile. All ended well, as the subject was arrested for D.U.I.,
    Reckless Endangerment, and Resisitng Arrest. Later, the judge dismissed
    the Resisting Arrest Charge; and the defendant plead quilty to the other
    charges, paid a stiff fine and went about his business - shaking hands
    and apologizing to my partner and I as he exited the courtroom.
     
  18. loop

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    I agree there are far too many chest thumpers out there.

    I was a "baby boomer." That means I was draft eligible in 1969.
     
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    I saw a post yesterday on these boards "ever shot anyone?"

    um, yeah. I hate kids who just want to be ninjas.

    I never shot anyone who wasn't an immediate threat to my life or others around me. I've cleared leather and not fired.

    is there any way we can sort out the 15-year-olds from the rest or us?

    I'd rather post about my really pretty Kimber. I just spent more on the rebuild than I did for the gun.

    Glad I'm not a moderator here. I'd probably hit the delete key so often there would be no board.
     
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    Screwed up the post with a wrong key. Hope it still makes sense.
     
  21. LightningJoe

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    I have mainly encountered this phenomenon in the form of stories of people who say that somebody asked them for directions in a parking lot or some such and that the person might have been "interviewing" them.


    Then hundreds of people respond with posts saying that in such a situation, they would go to condition red, draw their weapons, and yell "Halt!" And of course if the guy were dumb enough to continue asking for directions they would shoot him until he stopped asking.


    When I suggest it is unwise to shoot unarmed people, I am invariably told that my brain is installed improperly.
     
  22. jcwit

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    This same thing happenes daily on our highways. We call it ROAD RAGE. Where did this additude come from?
     
  23. Apple a Day

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    When all is said and done, more is said than done.

    I forgot who said that but they meant the Internet.
     
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    Hey Apple a day excellent quote, will have to remember that one. How true, how true.
     
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    Back in the early 1970's I was traveling home on leave from USAF and was forced off highway in eastern Alabama. The display of my large revolver defused the situation and made the other parties decided that they wanted no part of me. No shots fired.
     
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