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Let's hope they're just internet posers beating their pigeon chests and letting out their warrior yop (after a hit from the inhaler) from their mother's basement across the vast expanse of the internet.

I think that explains most of what we read on the internet. There are a lot of very young people and very immature people posting on the internet. When you call them on their immature and flawed logic, they always revert to an ad hominum argument. I am becoming increasingly tired of arguing with children.
 
Yeah, I see that kind of crap everywhere. Some guy says he was in a situation like a 7-11 being robbed (guy had a knife, and wasn't really threatening anybody in any way besides verbally), and the next guy says he would have drawn and shot the guy in the back of the head. And for what? Nobody was going to get hurt, and the guy will get away with $15, and a bunch of change. Everybody could see his face, see his license plate number. Why in the world shoot in a situation like that? Why even consider putting yourself through the litigation that goes along with a shooting for $15?
 
A friend at work was telling me about how if guns were banned the cops would never take his guns while he was alive. He looked me straight in the eyes and said "Let them come, we'll see how many of them it takes" or something like that. I looked him right back in the eye and said "Dude, you have like a wife and kid. Your not gonna get yourself killed or imprisoned. You have to take care of them." In principle he was willing to die for his Second Amendment rights.....maybe, but in a practical sense he was not.

This is off topic and I, for one, don't believe the cold-dead-fingers hype; New Orleans proved it just ain't so. Even so, your statement doesn't make sense either. How many widows and orphans do you suppose there were after the Revolutionary War. How many widows and orphans are there as a result of the Iraq war? Defending freedom means giving up the safety and comfort of your 8 to 5 job and risking that your children will have a tougher, but more free, life.
 
Has any one else began to notice this new trend in the gun forms?

You bet.

Typically, it's a NEW MEMBER, who wants to start a topic, but doesn't know of anything sensible to post, so they invent some moral dilemma.

Then, when everyone else is sort of fighting it out, they never post again. LOL!:D

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Can you cite any examples of people trying to turn harmless situations into deadly? I just haven't seen it as a common thing in the forums I read.

Just read the posts before yours. You'll see that almost everyone has seen the same trend among anonomous posters. I really don't think that a bunch of examples are needed. We've all been noticing the trend. I believe that it has to do with the "false bravery" of being able to say something when no one knows who you are. It's adolescent and stupid but anonimity breeds stupid actions.
 
I agree with pbearperry post #28. The older generations have indeed grown up, been through many trials and tribulations, and for the most part have "been there, done that" whereas the younger generations have lived with TV, Internet, TV games, and violence, all on imaginary screens. Have not lived in the "real world" situations enough to get a real handle on what they would do or not do, in a life or death situation.
 
This is off topic and I, for one, don't believe the cold-dead-fingers hype; New Orleans proved it just ain't so. Even so, your statement doesn't make sense either. How many widows and orphans do you suppose there were after the Revolutionary War. How many widows and orphans are there as a result of the Iraq war?

I don't think my post was off topic at all. My point is simply that while some people talk of killing and dying it is not necessarily because they are trolls or violent people. It is because while they believe in the spirit of what they are saying they have not considered practical matters that would prevent them from following through. Practical matter such a wife and kid who need you alive. Practical matters such as the horrors of having to take the life of another.


Some guy says he was in a situation like a 7-11 being robbed (guy had a knife, and wasn't really threatening anybody in any way besides verbally), and the next guy says he would have drawn and shot the guy in the back of the head. And for what?

This is exactly what I am talking about. While the guy who said he would kill the robber might actually feel that people who commit armed robbery should be killed he may have had a hard time actually killing a man in such an instance. To kill is an traumatic and unnatural act, its also illegal and expensive. Any one of those things, and likely all four, would stop most chest thumpers from following though with the whole "shoot him in the back of the head" mentality.

Defending freedom means giving up the safety and comfort of your 8 to 5 job and risking that your children will have a tougher, but more free, life.

Everytime someone tries to justify violence they throw out something about "Defending Freedom" and the men and women who have died for this country.

This is off topic but I will respond to it anyways: If guns are banned there are better ways of fighting for freedom in America than shooting cops and/or making some poor police officer have to shoot you. The founding fathers gave us a nice Republic so we wouldn't have to shoot each other every time a law gets passed that we don't agree with.
 
But I don't see the need for a "bug out bag"

You don't live in earthquake territory, torando territory, a flood plane, near a coast? You live in a fireproof home?
 
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I don't think my post was off topic at all.

Your post wasn't off topic. I was referring to my post by taking yours one level further away from the OP.

And I don't believe in shootouts with cops either. There is only one outcome for the guy who gets in a shootout with police. And even though I am very wary of growing police powers in this country, I am in agreement that there should be only one possible outcome of a shootout with the police.
 
Kinda like being a lifeguard I guess.

Some 3+ decades ago (ugh!) when I took the cert classes, I was taught that, as a lifeguard, if you ever got in the water it meant you probably weren't doing your job. You should have prevented the problem LONG before you had to get in the water.

But I guess that isn't as sexy as jumping in the pool and saving somebody, eh?
 
I've met several people in real life who absolutely can't wait for a SHTF situation in which they might get a chance to shoot someone.

Mostly they have been young people, raised in cities, some ex-military w/ no combat experience, and almost all were involved in law enforcement.
 
Scary "Zip7" really, really, Scary. That is one of the major reasons one of my eldest brothers gave up his stripes and left the force. I have my own level of preparedness regarding security of my home and person, It is all based on previous experience. Being prepared to defend yourself and others should not be anticipated in my opinion. This mentality could lead to some serious legal ramifications if you are indeed caught in a scenario and sound judgement is not utilized. I usually stop reading posts when they seem like an Internet based training scenario.
I do agree that it would be nice to be able to know the age of posters through their profile, but then again this day in age, Age discrimination can land you in court as well. Tread lightly people, and carry your big stick as quietly as you can. It's better that way. -66912
 
Either that or we're the TV/Movie/Video Game brainwashed knuckle dragging idiots the Antis tell everyone we are.

I would say it this way:

"Either that or they are TV/Movie/Video Game brainwashed knuckle dragging idiots" and leave it at that. I think that would cover 99% of the people that post in that fashion.
 
I guess at 78 I have reached the point in life that Don Meridith of NFL fame (on and off the field) referred to when the game he was announcing was out of hand, 'turn out the lights the party's over'

Having spent 27 years in a combination of Navy and Coast Guard service, lived in 8 states, + AK and HI before they were states. Have never carried (except on a post service job) nor felt threatened to the extent I needed a weapon.

What has happened to this country, I can't even speak the language, 'dude' (not intended as a put down) is no more part of my vocabulary than 'spiffy' is to most reading this.

All that said, I see much wisdom and common sense in the previous posts not to mention a lot of humor and some dandy quotes.

Yes I also think it is the "Rambo wannabes", those of "spazzer' fame who probably could not hit a barn wall from the inside. I guess it is just a macho, feeling their oats, type thing. That AK or M4 in their hands mowing down milk jugs and saplings just pumps them up to King Kong size.

As far as me shooting anyone, any intruder IN MY HOME at night will never intrude again am I fortunate enough to get in the first shot, no 'hands up', no 'get out', just BOOM. A 12GA load of #4 buck at 20 feet requires no follow up shot.

A daylight intrusion would be a different story depending on how much I felt threatened.

Ah well, I guess all I can say is I hope it never happens.

________________________Old Sin Casts a Long Shadow_
 
I think that, for the most part, the online gun forum members have been pretty much tolerating the Rambo wannabes and other gun guys who are kind of, um, extremist in their views about SD using deadly force. It's sad, because it reflects badly on the vast majority of gun owners/carriers who are certainly not gung ho about getting into an SD situation.

Those Rambo wannabes hurt or will hurt the rights and interests of regular ole gunnies. They are bad for 2A's continuing and expanding acceptance by the public.


Kinda like being a lifeguard I guess.

Some 3+ decades ago (ugh!) when I took the cert classes, I was taught that, as a lifeguard, if you ever got in the water it meant you probably weren't doing your job. You should have prevented the problem LONG before you had to get in the water.
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Some guy says he was in a situation like a 7-11 being robbed (guy had a knife, and wasn't really threatening anybody in any way besides verbally), and the next guy says he would have drawn and shot the guy in the back of the head. And for what?

This is exactly what I am talking about. While the guy who said he would kill the robber might actually feel that people who commit armed robbery should be killed he may have had a hard time actually killing a man in such an instance. To kill is an traumatic and unnatural act, its also illegal and expensive. Any one of those things, and likely all four, would stop most chest thumpers from following though with the whole "shoot him in the back of the head" mentality.

Actually no that is not remotely true.

Killing someone in of itself is not illegal or unnatural or in many cases even immoral. People kill people every day. Animals do the same thing. It is old as Cain and Able, older than David and Goliath far older than civilization. In order to create a veneer of polite society we have established rules that pertain to the circumstances under which people are allowed to kill other people but the killing itself is allowed under the right set if circumstances. Even the hard and fast religous rules such as the Ten Commandments in "Thou shall not Kill" have plenty of exceptions in the fine print.

Certainly our governments that are run by people just like us and are a direct reflection of the type of society we have, have little compunction about killing.
 
I guess we just have to agree to disagree.

I suppose so but I am curious, this is an odd position to stake on a board about deadly weapons. What are the considerations for soldiers and police officers?
 
All life is sacred, even the bg's life, I don't want to kill anyone, I also value my life, or my family's , just a little more than the bg's life. If I have to pull my weapon for self defense, the BG still has a chance to walkaway, befor I pull the trigger, the choice is up to the BG, the BG put me in that situation, the BG can walk away at anytime, untill he forces my hand. God help us all.
 
You know, I was reading this thread, and it occurred to me that the troll problem could be handled very neatly if the board were to weed out the 0 and 1 post wonders after a certain amount of time, sort of a "develop or die," as it were. The only area that a registered user can see that a non-registered one can't, so far as I know, are the classifieds.
 
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