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Trouble with .45acp handload

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by FullMetalJckt, May 22, 2010.

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  1. FullMetalJckt

    FullMetalJckt Member

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    I loaded some 45acp and went to the range yesterday.

    OAL is set to 1.245
    Powder is IMR 700x - 4.5 grains
    brass is mix of PPC, R P headstamps
    bullets are 230gr TMJ copper plated leads
    CCI primers
    Crimp was stout - I could see it (I knoe this is bad as of now:banghead:)

    I fired 5 shots with no problem, but the next went off and got stuck in the barrel. So i pushed the bullet out with a rod and continued.

    Can a hearty crimp cause this?

    I also had a round fire, but the bullet didn't leave the case!?!

    Help would be greatly appriciated.
    Thanks.
     
  2. Jumping Frog

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    Do you visually verify the powder level of every round you load?

    Sounds like you had two rounds with a primer but no powder.
     
  3. Jayhawker

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    You've got to wonder if there was powder in those cases. If it was the crimp, you must have really put the kabosh on it. The load is very mild and that with the crimp may have done it but my first vote is no powder.
     
  4. FullMetalJckt

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    I visually checked every load. I only load 50 at a time.

    I mite be crazy but could sweat soil powder. mean if i looked over the cases and sweat fell into a case, could that cause my problem?
     
  5. Slamfire

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    No. Not if a reasonable amount of powder was in the case.

    I am unfamiliar with the powder you are using, but if you had a chronograph you would be able to tell if something was wrong due to low velocities.

    Me thinks it is likely you made a charging error.
     
  6. Walkalong

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    Most certainly.


    4.5 Grs 0f 700X is pretty light, should have gotten the bullet out of the barrel every time. I would go to 4.8, make sure there is powder in every case, and try again.
     
  7. DIV03

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    Sure sounds like a primer only load. A Squib.............
     
  8. FullMetalJckt

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    Okay i'll try a heavier load of 4.8 grs and a lighter crimp. will get back to yall with the results in a few days.
     
  9. Jayhawker

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    Most folks including myself crimp to .469" or .470" as measured as close to the end of the case as possible. Basically its no crimp at all.
     
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    Moderators: Consider putting together a sticky of Walkalong's excellent photographs illustrating the product of good technique. Not just this thread, but many others over the years. Maybe AC will consider consolidating some past images and adding more as required.
     
  12. ants

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    FullMetalJckt

    Yes, sweat can contaminate powder and cause it to fail. So can oil, grease, water, just about anything wet. Dust, dirt, grit and other contaminants are also bad news.

    Given the symptoms you listed, it is more common to have no powder or insufficient powder. But if you know you dropped wet contaminant into the powder, that would likely be your culprit.
     
  13. redneck2

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    That is the very starting load. 700x is a slow powder. I'd bump the charge weight a little.
     
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    No crimp can prevent a bullet from flying. Low or no powder charge.

    You would have been sweating like a prostitute in a fire and brimstone evangelical revival meeting for sweat to have caused that and even then the unburned powder would have clogged inside the bore.
     
  15. Walkalong

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    700X is a relatively fast powder. Perhaps you were thinking of 800X which is more of a medium speed powder.
     
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    "...sweat fell into a case..." Yep. It's salt water. If you sweat that much, wear a head band.
    "...Can a hearty crimp cause this?..." That's a cartridge with no powder. Called a 'squib'. Very bad ju-ju if you don't notice it. Means a new barrel.
     
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    I third the motion on a missed/light powder charge. I've used 4.0-4.8 gr. of 700x, my current load being 4.5. I use just the slightest crimp on the case mouth, but load to 1.265" as opposed to 1.245".
     
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    Not much left to do here except wait for the next range report, good luck...
     
  19. FullMetalJckt

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    well went to the range after loading 30 more rounds. I visually inspected each round to make sure there was sufficient powder.

    out of 30 I had 2 get stuck in the barrel and one go off but the round didn't leave the case.

    Maybe my powder is contaminated.

    I shall pick up some new powder tomarrow mourn. Do ya'll have any powder preferences and reasons.

    Thanks,
    FMJ
     
  20. Walkalong

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    Hard to beat W-231 in .45 for an overall good powder, but Clays, AA #2, N310, N320, Competition, & WST are other good fast powders. AA #5, WSF, Unique, Universal Clays and N340 are good medium speed powders for .45.

    Many powders will work just fine in .45 ACP.
     
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    Try pulling the bullet on the round that did not fire.

    Is there powder in it?
     
  22. ArchAngelCD

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    Wow, something is very wrong if you are getting round that aren't firing. I agree you should try a fresh can of powder. (are your primers OK??)
    I'll add my voice to W231 (HP-38), it's my favorite .45 Auto powder.
    I've also used AA#5 in the .45 Auto with good success. (it was specifically designed for the .45 Auto)
     
  23. FullMetalJckt

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    i Just got the primers a few weeks ago. I store them inside where its cool and dry. Futhermore, I never touch them as i use an auto prime. However, Its very possible they where incorrectly stored by the gun shop i bought 'em from.

    Thoughts?
     
  24. FullMetalJckt

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    I pulled the bullet. No powder and the primer definantly ignited.
     
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    Don't worry, happens to the best of us from time to time.
     
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