Trump: '8-year assault' on Second Amendment is over

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Even more so than actual wins at the federal level on this topic, and that's the really sad part (this goes for both the NRA and Trump). We got a nice speech today, that was (mostly) about guns, but gave no direction for planned or even desired policy goals. For a guy like Trump who makes a point of clearly telegraphing top-level plans for policy goals he actually intends to pursue ("We're going to do X; I'll make it happen!"), this is quite telling. Bringing up "the wall" was not only completely off-topic for an NRA speech, it was also a far more specific plan for actual policy initiatives than anything offered on the gun front. I've said it before and I'll say it again; gun owners are incredibly cheap dates for DC politicians, wanting nothing more than some occasional kind words for the most part.

So self defense is a "sacred right"; that's nice, and "no duh," and it's refreshing to see a man in the big chair actually say it for once, but how about we do something about the state laws & federal justices who deny that sacred right to millions of Americans, daily? It's not like this is an issue where he has no power or requires a ton of cooperation from the uncooperative. There are a handful of things he could do in a day, legally unassailable uses of his executive discretion, to make life better for lots of us. There are even more things he is easily aware of (uh, HPA for instance? The bill none other than his freaking kid has been promoting for months?) that he could lend his open support to in order to shift them up on Congress' docket.

Yeah, the HPA isn't as big ticket an item or as important as Health Care Reform...but that's precisely why something might actually get accomplished if they'd only spend a week or two getting it to the floor. Put it this way; what portion of the (R) electorate would be upset if congress 'wasted' that much time getting a silly pro-gun bill passed, as opposed to bickering for three weeks about taxes or healthcare without accomplishing anything substantive?


Uh, they never were; that's why they had to pass laws & invent regulations that seek to make us law-breaking gun owners, so they can do what they want to us "righteously." Funny, I could have sworn the NFA and GCA and ATF and all the other three-letter-infringements were still laced into a boot pressed firmly on our faces...I must have missed that "crashing end" somehow.

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That's simply not true. A prime example was stepping away from the pack and strongly supporting Trump. The NRA really put its back into it and we're just now seeing the payback.
what does that mean? were they to support
I was responding to your earlier posting:



Particularly the part I emboldened. Apathetic folk love bashing the NRA, but if not for the NRA, who?
I was responding to your earlier posting:



Particularly the part I emboldened. Apathetic folk love bashing the NRA, but if not for the NRA, who?
NRA never on the offensive. they should get legislators to introduce bills to eliminate FFL's full auto bans and waiting periods for a start. Oops they were the ones for a waiting period. They are in it for the money fly around in jets wear $1000 suits stay in luxury hotels and once in a while throw a bone to gun owners. they are like politicians who scare people with gorebull warming terrorism crime etc to get money for re-election
 
For all the complaining about the NRA's supposed use of hyperbole to "scare" gun-owners into action ... I say, it's pretty freakin' necessary.

By and large, the gun-owners throughout the country (until this past November) have proven to be collectively a most apathetic lot who have enabled the liberal left to enact all the egregious anti-gun legislation during the 20th century and the first 16 years of the 21st century.

Only on the internet are we dedicated, vocal warriors with laser-like focus, fighting the good fight ... Typically (and especially during mid-term years) during election years we vanish.

We here in my state witnessed a heinous example of our complacency with the passage of I-594, which we all fussed over prior to the election, yet continued to assure ourselves it could never happen in this gun-happy state. Until it did. We apparently needed some of those scare tactics to get us off our butts and vote against the measure, considering that in some of our most conservative counties with the highest rates of gun-ownership, only about 13-20 percent of those eligible actually turned in ballots.
it is amazing to think that gun owners have to fight a never ending fight to keep a right stated in the bill of rights. does that happen with the right to free speech? I guess you forgot about the rampant vote fraud in big cities. one big city can dictate laws to the rest of the state. To me the NRA thrives on people introducing anti gun bills it drives up money for them. and money is all any one cares about regardless of speeches they make
 
what does that mean? were they to support


NRA never on the offensive. they should get legislators to introduce bills to eliminate FFL's full auto bans and waiting periods for a start. Oops they were the ones for a waiting period. They are in it for the money fly around in jets wear $1000 suits stay in luxury hotels and once in a while throw a bone to gun owners. they are like politicians who scare people with gorebull warming terrorism crime etc to get money for re-election

Yeah, that's going to happen -- "for a start." Your perception of the NRA is sadly inaccurate.
 
it is amazing to think that gun owners have to fight a never ending fight to keep a right stated in the bill of rights. does that happen with the right to free speech? I guess you forgot about the rampant vote fraud in big cities. one big city can dictate laws to the rest of the state. To me the NRA thrives on people introducing anti gun bills it drives up money for them. and money is all any one cares about regardless of speeches they make

"Amazing" or not, that's been the reality to some degree for a long time. Maybe it's better you just thanked the NRA and went about your business?
 
Yeah, that's going to happen -- "for a start." Your perception of the NRA is sadly inaccurate.
so what good are they then? just sitting around until an anti gun bill is proposed then asking for money to fight it? in 1930 you could walk in a hardware store and buy a full auto BAR or order it out of the sears catalog. that is when we had real gun rights as written the bill of rights
 
There's been an impact in New Hampshire, at least, where with the first Republican governor in 12yrs and R-majorities in the State House & Senate they passed Constitutional Carry earlier this year (joining our Maine and Vermont neighbors).

I feel like I can rely on an R-majority US House & Senate to prevent adding new restrictions (the House held the line pretty well during the Obama administration), and SCOTUS seems set for the moment, but am waiting to see what happens in the Executive, specifically whether the BATFE gets adjusted marching orders.
 
There's been an impact in New Hampshire, at least, where with the first Republican governor in 12yrs and R-majorities in the State House & Senate they passed Constitutional Carry earlier this year (joining our Maine and Vermont neighbors).

I feel like I can rely on an R-majority US House & Senate to prevent adding new restrictions (the House held the line pretty well during the Obama administration), and SCOTUS seems set for the moment, but am waiting to see what happens in the Executive, specifically whether the BATFE gets adjusted marching orders.
as far as I see it carry laws means nothing to me. many are satisfied with just that. when I can buy a full auto a silencer etc thru the mail then I would see gun rights advancing to where they used to be. you are only allowed to carry a gun where there is no crime
 
Some people want to see want to see (un-Constitutional) restrictions decreed by autonomous agencies rolled back.
Trump's election was like the dog catching the car.
When he tried to drain the swamp, at the bottom was an unfathomably deep layer of neocon muck.
It is good to hear him talk amicably to the NRA, what he is able to accomplish remains to be seen.
 
Some people want to see want to see (un-Constitutional) restrictions decreed by autonomous agencies rolled back.
Trump's election was like the dog catching the car.
When he tried to drain the swamp, at the bottom was an unfathomably deep layer of neocon muck.
It is good to hear him talk amicably to the NRA, what he is able to accomplish remains to be seen.
seems like Trump is stuck in the neocon quicksand. yes it is great he is for gun rights but talk is cheap
 
'Fer Instance?

Do you think Schumer, Fienstein, Pelosi, Clinton, et. al. wouldn't have their 1994 wet dream of "Mr & Mrs Americal turn them all in!" by now without the NRA?

Do you actually think four more years of Obama/Clinton appointed judges would allow for any pro Second Amendment court rulings?

I still support the NRA and believe they are the most influential, but I get emails all the time with sensational subject lines. I delete them all so I don't have a specific example but I am sure I'll get one soon and I'll post it.
 
Yep, talk is cheap. All he has done so far is appoint a pro gun Justice on the Supreme Court that's all.

I never really liked the, 'But what have you done for me lately' crowd.
 
it is amazing to think that gun owners have to fight a never ending fight to keep a right stated in the bill of rights. does that happen with the right to free speech? I guess you forgot about the rampant vote fraud in big cities. one big city can dictate laws to the rest of the state. To me the NRA thrives on people introducing anti gun bills it drives up money for them. and money is all any one cares about regardless of speeches they make
Woke up and smelled the coffee finally, did ya? I haven't forgotten anything, son; I've been fighting this fight for over 40 years.

Rampant voter fraud in the big cities? I live in Washington, where 4000 dead people and convicted felons in one county twice elected a Democrat to the governorship by a razor-thin margin.

The NRA is the largest lobbying group fighting for our rights (and yes, 'tis sad we actually have to fight for our rights), but by and large, it's been effective. Thankfully, we have this group. What have you done for gun rights today?
 
I agree with the sentiment that the speech can be seen as campaign rhetoric done over. Behavior and action counts. The wall and duck ammo are irrelevant to the larger issues. Said this before. I also agree that keeping the threat to gun rights alive works electorally and financially for many.
 
Woke up and smelled the coffee finally, did ya? I haven't forgotten anything, son; I've been fighting this fight for over 40 years.

Rampant voter fraud in the big cities? I live in Washington, where 4000 dead people and convicted felons in one county twice elected a Democrat to the governorship by a razor-thin margin.

The NRA is the largest lobbying group fighting for our rights (and yes, 'tis sad we actually have to fight for our rights), but by and large, it's been effective. Thankfully, we have this group. What have you done for gun rights today?
I fought so long I see it is futile. I don't smell coffee I smell sewerage. those 4000 dead people voted 3 times I bet. between replacing the Christian population thru immigration where they will out vote and out breed whats left of the native population to me not worth fighting for any more. we have been sold out to the 3rd world
 
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I fought so long I see it is futile. I don't smell coffee I smell sewerage. those 4000 dead people voted 3 times I bet. between replacing the Christian population thru immigration where they will out vote and out breed whats left of the native population to me not worth fighting for any more. we have been sold out to the 3rd world
Ah, so what you're saying is ... you're giving up? Because that's kinda what that sound like ... Just asking. I've always believed that if one doesn't have causes worth fighting for, there's no point in going on.

Member GEM said:
"I also agree that keeping the threat to gun rights alive works electorally and financially for many."
Every political issue benefits many on either side. Regardless, can you also agree that there has been, still is, and likely will always be a continuing threat to gun rights in this country? While on the federal level, we may be at a static point for now, the antis continue to gain ground on the states' level. And despite four years (hopefully, at least) of Trump as President, those on the other side will never give up.
 
Ah, so what you're saying is ... you're giving up? Because that's kinda what that sound like ... Just asking. I've always believed that if one doesn't have causes worth fighting for, there's no point in going on.

Member GEM said:
"I also agree that keeping the threat to gun rights alive works electorally and financially for many."
Every political issue benefits many on either side. Regardless, can you also agree that there has been, still is, and likely will always be a continuing threat to gun rights in this country? While on the federal level, we may be at a static point for now, the antis continue to gain ground on the states' level. And despite four years (hopefully, at least) of Trump as President, those on the other side will never give up.
do you realize we have been sold out by the govt with the suicidal immigration invasion? there is no way to stop that besides a war and I do not see that happening. all you need in one Democrat in the house and senate and all the rinos will go along with them. gop not bad on gun control but everything else is a disaster
 
gop not bad on gun control but everything else is a disaster
If they're The Alternative, what we need is a better alternative.
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Things are looking up federally, but can be a different story based on the state or municipality you live in. Illinois is currently trying to push through legislation that will make it difficult for LGS' to stay in business.

Today, the Illinois Senate passed an amended version of Senate Bill 1657 by a 30-21 vote. As amended, SB 1657 would exempt big box stores from its restrictions.

SB 1657 creates an onerous gun dealer licensing scheme within the state. While the purported intent of this legislation was to enhance “responsible business practices,” this proposed legislation only proves that the intention is to close as many federally licensed firearm dealers (FFLs) as possible. The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) licenses and closely monitors all FFLs and strictly enforces any infringement of federal law. SB 1657 goes far beyond federal law in its mandatory regulations and red tape imposed at the state level that it would almost assuredly force the closure of most firearm dealers, and prevent prospective owners from opening new ones. This legislation seeks to create so many department divisions, anti-gun 5-member licensing boards, and licensing fees that dealers would be forced to close through oversight by anti-gun appointees or being priced out of business.

Your NRA-ILA will continue to keep you updated as this legislation progresses through the legislative process.

And with the help of Springfield Armory. The oldest name in American firearms (in Brazil).
 
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