Quantcast
  1. Upgrade efforts paused for now. Thanks for your patience. More details in the thread in Tech Support for those who are interested.
    Dismiss Notice

Trump is now considering suppressor ban

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by coloradokevin, Jun 5, 2019.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. coloradokevin

    coloradokevin Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2008
    Messages:
    3,279
    QUOTE POTUS:

    "I don't like them. Well, I'd like to think about it. I mean nobody's talked about silencers very much. I did talk about the bump stock and we had it banned," Trump said. "We're looking at that. I’m going to seriously look at it.""


    So, unfortunately it appears that the president who claimed to be the best friend to gun owners is once again "thinking about" gun control measures that would really do nothing to stop crime.

    We all know that the left has been calling for a ban on suppressors for a while now, despite the fact that they are already very heavily regulated through the NFA, and almost never used in crimes. But, despite the cries from the other side, we were all supposed to be secure in our gun rights thanks to Trump being in office. Now we're once again faced with a situation where Trump is responding to a mass shooting by considering a gun ban.

    I think it's time for a bit of lobbying pressure here, before we see our rights further eroded.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ing-suppressors-after-virginia-beach-shooting
     
    DoubleMag, P5 Guy and Jack Ryan like this.
  2. SharpDog

    SharpDog Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2006
    Messages:
    3,165
    Location:
    Tennessee
    Well, you're right, we'd be a lot better off with Hillary <-- that's sarcasm

    Bonus question, who was the author of the:

    Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act or Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) of 1994
     
    Browning, NIGHTLORD40K and Walkalong like this.
  3. unclenunzie

    unclenunzie Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2009
    Messages:
    1,041
    Location:
    Texas.
    I realize you can expect a better overall 2A result or response from one party over the other. But what makes anyone think Trump himself would be a friend to gun owners? My personal belief is he'll support anything that furthers his goals, and if that's aligned with your goals, than you might get what you are looking for. As far as suppressors go, perhaps he has made a calculation that he doesn't need the "suppressor" voting block, and might fare better by going against them.
     
    P5 Guy, Duster340, equin and 7 others like this.
  4. SharpDog

    SharpDog Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2006
    Messages:
    3,165
    Location:
    Tennessee
    And so what would you do to remedy the situation ?
     
  5. unclenunzie

    unclenunzie Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2009
    Messages:
    1,041
    Location:
    Texas.
    I offer no solution. I merely state my personal opinion as to why the man is not a friend to gun owners, in light of the OP's post.
     
  6. SharpDog

    SharpDog Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2006
    Messages:
    3,165
    Location:
    Tennessee
    I'm not sure if this thread is supposed to be about Trump or banning supressors.

    In so far as it's about Trump, he's by far the lesser of two evils, just look at his SCOTUS appointments. Kavanaugh for one is a staunch 2A supporter.

    In so far as it's about banning suppressors, we'll we started that fight with the bump stocks and it will undoubtedly continue as we fight to retain our 'assualt weapons' and semi-automatic pistols.

    Be prepared for a long fight ahead, at least we have the majority of SCOTUS helping us.
     
  7. coloradokevin

    coloradokevin Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2008
    Messages:
    3,279
    For us as individuals there’s not a ton we can do other than letter writing to the White House, Congress members, the NRA, and anyone else who might listen.

    But, votes have consequences, and while I agree that Clinton was a terrible choice, Trump was never a great choice for gun owners. There’s a difference between picking the better of two candidates vs the lessor of two evils. We got the second option here, but that’s only because he won a primary election that was primarily voted on by people who are typically in the same political camp as all of us.

    It’s sad, really. But, I think we need to demand accountability, or we’ll watch our rights get flushed by both of the major parties.
     
  8. SharpDog

    SharpDog Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2006
    Messages:
    3,165
    Location:
    Tennessee
    Annnd you're assuming that a different primary victor could have defeated Clinton. Personally I think it was a miracle that a Republican won that presidential election. It might be the last one. Probably would not have happened without Trump's twitter and Facebook skills as he was outspent 2:1.
     
    Texas10mm likes this.
  9. LiveLife

    LiveLife Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2010
    Messages:
    29,984
    Location:
    Northwest Coast
    Amen. And we dodged a huge bullet in 2016.

    Imagine what gnashing of teeth and cry of despair we'd be posting had Hillary won? :eek::eek::eek:

    YES! Preach it, brother! :D

    And believe it or not, pro-gun/2A law makers have been busy at state and federal level. There have been growing number of pro-gun/2A laws passed at state and federal level like this - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...lated-information.849620/page-5#post-11121848

    Many more pro-gun/2A bills/laws passing outlined in this thread - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...lated-information.849620/page-5#post-11114467

    Overturning CA's decision on ban of larger than 10 round magazines - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...lated-information.849620/page-2#post-11093434

    YES, anti-gun/2A laws can be overturned.

    And President Trump has been tirelessly nominating more conservative judges to federal district and circuit courts to almost reach majority in some courts (How do you think they will rule on gun/2A cases?). So consider affects of this for next several decades and possibly SCOTUS case rulings to come before you bash Trump. Believe me, we could be dealing with "President Hillary" ... < shudder > :mad::mad::mad: And what do you think "President Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez" will do with guns/2A? :eek::eek::eek:

    Believe me, elections have consequences. Yes they do.

    To me, that's hint for pro-gun/2A crowd to provide feedback to POTUS. ;) Now the ball is in pro-gun/2A crowd and law makers to drum up support.

    Trump gave his opinion only but did not state he will ban suppressors ... he said, "I'd like to think about it ... We're looking at that"

    Who are "We"?

    I am thinking he put this out there to rile up NRA and other pro-gun/2A organizations to provide supporting argument for suppressors.

    If the support is great, then law makers will act accordingly.

    You want to "do something" to support suppressor? Then do this - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...lated-information.849620/page-5#post-11117722
     
    Last edited: Jun 5, 2019
    SharpDog and NIGHTLORD40K like this.
  10. bob97

    bob97 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2013
    Messages:
    110
    Location:
    Bayou City, TX
    I am angry. Suppressors really help make hunting and shooting more pleasant, and are almost never used in crime as far as i can tell. I already emailed my congressman and i will be making a donation to one or more organizations.
     
    P5 Guy, Gtscotty, Theohazard and 3 others like this.
  11. Tommygunn

    Tommygunn Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2006
    Messages:
    7,318
    Location:
    Morgan County, Alabama
    :mad: Doesn't Trump realizing he's angering his supporters? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? :fire::cuss::fire:

    I can't see myself voting for any Democrat .... but do I stay a registered Republican? No law says I have to ......:uhoh:
     
    P5 Guy and lionking like this.
  12. Dewey 68

    Dewey 68 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2010
    Messages:
    287
    Location:
    Corrupt Illinois
    And here I was hoping suppressors might become legal in Illinois. :rofl:
     
    Bfh_auto, SharpDog and Jack Ryan like this.
  13. Charlie Horse

    Charlie Horse Member

    Joined:
    May 27, 2012
    Messages:
    364
    Location:
    Mobile, AL
    Since there's no such thing as a "registered Republican" in Alabama, it makes little difference.
     
  14. Tommygunn

    Tommygunn Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2006
    Messages:
    7,318
    Location:
    Morgan County, Alabama
    :scrutiny: I distinctly remember registering Republican when I moved here in 1994.



    ......well, in any case, I don't have to VOTE Republican......:evil:
     
  15. SharpDog

    SharpDog Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2006
    Messages:
    3,165
    Location:
    Tennessee
    '

    First and Foremost you must realize that Trump is not a politician. So all of this talk about 'alienating voters' etc. is foreign to him. He reacts instinctually from his gut, There's no cerebral calculations here,

    He can be swayed by pubic opinion and by his advisors and this happens frequently. If he proposes a policy and a large number of his supporters get immediately in his face, he'll back down,

    This did not happen with the bump stock ban although there was plenty of opportunity,

    It rally only matters who you vote for. In some states, to vote in the primaries, you need to declare your allegiance. But, in the end it's the final vote that counts. What matters almost as much is who you donate money to. Even $30 to a candidate is meaningful. Pick out your favorite(s) and donat and then, if they make it to the end of the race then you vote for them.

    I myself want to maximize my vote (as opposed to maximizing my opinion) so I will vote in the primary for who I think has the best chance to win and then again the same in the final election. I don't vote my principles, per se. For me it's all about winning. Other folks vote their principles and I can respect that.
     
    Last edited: Jun 5, 2019
    P5 Guy likes this.
  16. coloradokevin

    coloradokevin Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2008
    Messages:
    3,279
    1) I also agree that we dodged a bullet in 2016. Clinton was undeniably worse, but that doesn't mean Trump is great. You can all do as you choose, but he's one more anti-gun law away from me throwing my vote to an independent in 2020.

    2) I don't think he's as deep of a thinker as you're giving him credit for. I think he operates based on emotion and feelings, rather than facts and analysis.

    3) The Hearing Protection Act could have passed in 2017, when Republicans controlled everything. Now it has a zero percent chance of passing. And, it's likely that Republicans lost the House because of Trump; not so much his policies, but rather his continuous nonsensical rhetoric.

    I obviously don't want to see an anti-gun politician in the White House, but that goes just as strongly for an anti-gun Republican as it does for an anti-gun Democrat. Neither is more acceptable than the other, at least to me.
     
  17. LiveLife

    LiveLife Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2010
    Messages:
    29,984
    Location:
    Northwest Coast
    Awesome!

    That is "Doing Something" :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
     
    SharpDog likes this.
  18. LiveLife

    LiveLife Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2010
    Messages:
    29,984
    Location:
    Northwest Coast
    So who are you going to vote for that will be more pro-gun/2A?
     
    SharpDog likes this.
  19. Charlie Horse

    Charlie Horse Member

    Joined:
    May 27, 2012
    Messages:
    364
    Location:
    Mobile, AL
    Nope, you declare at the polls at the primary. If you'd been here for the 1986 crossover fracas, you'd never forget it. We've fought that battle over and over again since. The problem is that the other party is so dedicated to self destruction here, that they cannot field viable candidates. In the 5 campaigns I've managed, one of the things we had going for us is that the Dems cannot mount enough votes to scratch a Republican's paint.
     
  20. LiveLife

    LiveLife Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2010
    Messages:
    29,984
    Location:
    Northwest Coast
    The FACT that he has appointed two SCOTUS justices and numerous federal district/circuit court judges that anti-gun/2A crowd hates is good enough for me and he could act dumb and stupid rest of his presidency.

    And he is continuing to nominate federal district/circuit court judges to the point where we are already seeing the effects on case rulings. As long as he is securing the judicial future for 2A for DECADES to come, I could care less what he twits about.
     
    Highland Lofts, danez71 and SharpDog like this.
  21. SharpDog

    SharpDog Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2006
    Messages:
    3,165
    Location:
    Tennessee
    What would be accomplished by "throwing your vote to an independent in 2020" ?

    Should that person be Bloomberg's good friend Mark Cuban ?

    Does your candidate have a chance to win ? Because, without winning, they can have no impact. Only take vote from others that may be able to act.
     
  22. Tusker10mm

    Tusker10mm Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2003
    Messages:
    142
    Location:
    Winchester,VA
    Nthing legal in ILL :(
     
  23. LiveLife

    LiveLife Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2010
    Messages:
    29,984
    Location:
    Northwest Coast
    Just remember, we are at WAR with the anti-gun/2A crowd.

    You may not like everything about your ally but enemy of my enemy is my friend applies very appropriately with 2020 election and future of gun rights/2A.

    Elections have consequences.

    Vote wisely if you want to keep your guns.
     
    SharpDog likes this.
  24. AlexanderA

    AlexanderA Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2011
    Messages:
    9,434
    Location:
    Virginia
    Actually, the best result, in terms of preserving existing gun rights, is divided government, with the White House under the control of one party, and one or both houses of Congress under the control of the other. That way nothing of significance gets done, provided each party sticks to its platform. Our mistake, as gun people, was in hoping that something positive, such as the Hearing Protection Act or national reciprocity, could have been accomplished with all parts of the government under one party. We were bitterly disappointed in that, since the pro-gun agenda wasn't even taken up, when the Republicans had the chance. (Instead we got a bump stock ban, "red flag" orders, and general antigun rhetoric from a supposedly pro-gun president. Now it looks like we're headed for even more restrictions under him.)

    If Hillary had been elected, with a Republican Congress, we wouldn't have had any of this. (For an example, just look at Obama's track record.)
     
    Last edited: Jun 5, 2019
    unclenunzie, P5 Guy, qwert65 and 4 others like this.
  25. kidneyboy

    kidneyboy Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2018
    Messages:
    1,803
    Location:
    SE WI
    The anti-Trump crowd cracks me up. Best economy in 1/2 a century (at least), more people working than ever, tax cuts, lowest unemployment, companies coming back to the USA in droves and as bds mentioned more and more conservative pro 2a judges across the board and you guys are complaining.....
     
    Bfh_auto and SharpDog like this.
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice