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TSA to allow small nonlocking knives.

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by hso, Mar 5, 2013.

  1. bubba in ca

    bubba in ca Member

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    thanx for nothing tsa

    i measured my Swiss Army daily carry and it is too long!

    And a note to above comment--airline employees are not complaining about the new reg-- it was one of their goofball unions blowing smoke.

    Incidently, tsa came up with the new reg for THEIR CONVENIENCE. Confiscating little knives was taking up too much of their time. I know, twice I was sent to secondary inspection for my titanium flashdrive which looks like a 1 1/2 inch Texas Chain Saw massacre weapon on their xray machine.
     
  2. hmphargh

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    I also have a Sandisk Cruzer Titanium (presumably the same flash drive), and I have had very similar issues, especially when it is in inner pockets of of my bag. One TSA agent was nice enough to show me the screen and explain that the clip looks very much like the blade of a knife on their machine. Since then, I removed the clip (it just snaps on and off), and I haven't had any issues.

    On one earlier occasion, I was at Nantucket Memorial Airport (for those that don't know, this is a small airport that primarily services 8 passenger commuter planes), and the TSA agent told me that my flash drive looked like a "bogey" and proceeded to lean in and say that it looked like an explosives detonator. I haven't felt less safe flying than that day, knowing that this agent screened everyone that got on the plane, and I fly at least twice a week.
     
  3. Zoogster

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    Bobson said:


    Box cutters are not a threat.

    The real issue since shortly after 9/11 has not been the safety of the aircraft but the resistance of the flight attendants, and now the air marshalls that are mroe common as well.


    Not too long after 9/11 they installed big cockpit doors. It was determined early on after this that knives no longer posed a risk to flights. They were going to relax the restriction within a year or so of 9/11.
    The flight attendants quickly mobilized and opposed it. They didn't want the passengers they deal with to have knives.
    The Union, which is thier representation, stopped removing the restrictions on knives.

    This new change is actually much less than that.
    When I flew before 9/11 I always had a knife. Typically a folder of 4"+ that I tossed into my carry on because I had had an issue one time out of many flights at some tiny little connecting airport that didn't like it on my belt taken off for the metal detector. As a result I had to check my bag to bring the knife, and to avoid that again I just carried it my carry on from then on until I got to my destination and it went back on my belt.
    (You could have two carry ons for free then, and even a couple checked bags, but you ran the risk of checked bags getting lost or at minimum having to spend the time to go retrieve them at the destination. So carry on was better.)

    The media was sensationalizing the box cutters being smuggled after 9/11 like they always do, truth is back then you could a big fixed blade hunting knife on with you if you wanted. As always they were short on facts and long on emotional appeal.
    Additionally most meals on flights with meals had metal silverware they passed out and collected.
    This included a metal butter knife that could easily be deadlier than a box cutter. Especially if you brought one of those quick manual sharpeners with you that you just stroke the edge through and it grinds it to something sharp. A butter knife would quickly become a serrated sharp fixed blade much larger than a box cutter.
    Sometimes they even gave you a steak knife if it was a dinner with meat. Though you would be more likely to get something that actually needed a steak knife in first class/business class than coach.
    Terrorists could have just flown first class, had a good meal, and been given steak knives.




    Government after taking away a right rarely has a motivation to then go out of the way to give it back.
    However in this case it has always been the flight attendants that kept knives illegal.
    This new proposal while nice, and credit is due where it is deserved, is really a joke. Even a swiss army knife has blades too long to meet the restriction.

    Also I find it rather humorous because I can bring things far deadlier than even a 4+" locked blade knife on a plane without bothering anyone. I won't get into a list of such things, that is how they get restricted. If people don't have enough imagination to figure them out then they probably are not smart enough that I want to encourage them to carry weapons anyways.
    People just associate knives with being a weapon, and so take notice.
    But even if I had a big locking folder on the plane if there was a deadly situation it wouldn't be the knife I would be going for.
    With a variety of things I could clobber a flight attendant in one stroke, fracture a skull or knock them unconscious with other things far easier than trying to cut or stab them with some little knife. Not that I would of course.

    But people are people. The masses associate certain things with being weapons, and are oblivious to much more dangerous things they don't associate with being weapons. That includes the flight attendants who don't want to have thier passengers with knives.
     
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  4. michaelbsc

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    I always bring things in my carry on that can be used.

    I don't know who said it first, but I always liked the observation that "I am the weapon" someone made years ago. The "thing" is just a tool.
     
  5. Deltaboy

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    The airline folks are all sheep and have traded Freedom for "safety".
    With the restrictions I will have to carry my baby stockman which is so small that I lose it in my pocket.
     
  6. JShirley

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    Zoogster's points are valid, but a box cutter IS more dangerous in general than a small, non-locking knife. Someone holding a tiny SAK may in fact have more steel in that blade than a box cutter, but I would feel almost NO threat, while a box cutter can easily inflict a cut that will cause massive bleeding. It does in fact make some sense.

    Also like zoogster, I have commonly carried items on airplanes that would have allowed me to (with forewarning, at least) dominate an encounter with someone who only was armed with a small knife.
     
  7. Sam1911

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    Like, perhaps, a 24" "novelty bat" short stick? :)
     
  8. JShirley

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    No. But one can, for instance, carry an empty 16 oz water bottle through security, or even just buy a full one once in the cleared area. Unlike a small knife, a full 16 oz bottle of liquid can deliver an instantly incapacitating blow.

    There are other items, which like Zoogster pointed out, it's not a great idea to really discuss here.
     
  9. T.A.DAVISON knife maker

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    Someone brought this up else were and maybe here too?
    I have not read the whole thread here?

    Anyway - If Delta Airlines says NO knives? Than how would they know if you have NO knife?
    Unless they researched YOU after the TSA has already cleared you?
    Would they set up another check point before boarding THEIR airline?

    Here is a link to a video about Delta's wants?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21731973
    Just wondering???? I my self don't fly much..... I would rather ride my harley...

    And just for kicks..... here is the first slip joint knife I made that fits the TSA guidelines...... :)
    It was shipped to New York.


    [​IMG]
     
  10. razorback2003

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    The airlines messed up by letting the govt take over the security at the airports and also letting the govt hassle their customers to no end to get on a plane.

    Not too surprising that multiple airlines are going through bankruptcy.

    You can't have a successful business with a ticked off customer base.
     
  11. j1

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    They finally got damned near everyone used to the no fingernail clippers rule and now they change it all. Makes me wonder why?
     
  12. JShirley

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    "No fingernail clippers" was NEVER a rule. That's a myth.

    Anyway, this has an easy explanation: TSA's funding is being at least somewhat cut. Pulling out small, non-dangerous metal items is a time waster for TSA agents.
     
  13. hmphargh

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    Todd, do you think you'll be making TSA compliant knives on a regular basis? I'd like to be on that list.
     
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  14. clutch

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    NOT that I'm going to jump though the hoops to fly commercial again in this lifetime unless my employer demands it. Would my cute little Gerber Curve make it on the plane if I removed the locking mechanism? I bought a lot of them to give as small gifts and have at least one I could modify.

    [​IMG]

    The big screw driver blade will open control box interlocks and the small one tightens my eye glass screws. The knife cuts tape on boxes to break them down to recycle.
     
  15. Speedo66

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    "Sculptured" handle may not pass muster. If you look at their examples, it takes very little curve to be disqualified.

    Carrying that vicious implement capable of torturing people 8 different ways, what kind of person are? :rolleyes:
     
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  16. JShirley

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    That doesn't appear to be a "molded" handle, it just incorporates a bottle opener/carabiner.
     
  17. j1

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    Now that everyone has knives aboard I want my gun for self defense.
     
  18. JShirley

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    Funny. Of course, blades up to 4" were allowed before 9-11...
     
  19. Fryerpower

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    I was in Madison, WI on business last week. While there I found a small knife (<2 inch fake Swiss Army knife with one blade, one file, one pair of sissors, a tooth pick, and a pair of tweezers) for $1. I figured I would give it a try.

    Turns out the rule does not kick in until 30 April.

    The lady who "helped" me load the tray did not catch it when I dumped the contents of my pockets into the tray. The three x-ray operators did not catch it. The guy at the place where you pick up your stuff did not catch it when I put everything back where it goes. He only saw it when I held it up in front of him and said "I bought this special, just for this trip." Only then did one of the security theater actors catch it. I feel so safe...

    Jim
     
  20. JTW Jr.

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    I always flew with a Fred Perrin Bracelet, Jones Bros Titanium & g10 Stylus , Anderson Titanium Yo-Yo and Rotring 600. Never had a problem with any of them on any flights :)
     
  21. michaelbsc

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    TSA Legal Knives

    Starting at the end of the month, TSA is going to allow very small pocket knives that meet certain parameters. I was wondering if you guys could name a few cool models for SD if needed.

    As of now, I'm thinking it's still better to just bring a tactical pen but hopefully you guys can surprise me with one worth buying.
     
  23. zxcvbob

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    Opinel #5 is about the biggest knife that's TSA-legal.

    I just bought a Buck #385 "toothpick" so I would have a knife I could carry on a plane. It is *tiny*. It looks good, it was relatively cheap (unlike a Case toothpick) which was important in case I lose it. It came pretty sharp right out if the box, and the point is like a needle; I always thought new Bucks were shipped dull (maybe this one is sharp because it was made in China)
     
  24. Getahl

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    I don't know if SD is going to be feasible with anything the TSA is allowing on flights. The blade length must be under 7cm, which works out to something like 2.3 inches, no wider (edge to spine) than 0.5 inches, cannot lock, and the handle cannot be 'molded', which I take to mean handle material cannot have finger grooves. This limits things to 74mm length SAKs, keychain multitools (Micra, Squire, Crosscut, Dime, etc), and small slipjoints, like the Case Peanut. I'm looking forward to being able to travel with one of my favorite pen knives, the Victorinox Classic, but I don't see it stopping a bad guy.
     
  25. P.B.Walsh

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    My Buck Vantage Pro came razor sharp from the factory... in the USA.

    Personally, I'd feel far more confident with a sturdy cane than a pen knife, and canes are widely allowed on planes, if not, they risk a lawsuit for violating the ADA (American with Disabilities Act). Now in terms of just having a knife, I'd pick a small multitool, preferably a smaller Leatherman mentioned above.

    This step is absurd.... but it is a step.....
     

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