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  1. WALKERs210

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    I have preached this many times to my wife and others. Most uses of a firearm to defend yourself will in most cases be a distance between 3-6 ft. The guy on tv showed a few different methods to shield yourself from attack at same time pulling and firing your weapon into a silhouette about 3ft away. Don't know if any clubs, organizations will teach this or even allow it to be done at their range but I feel it is something that needs attention brought to mind. If you are lucky enough to have a distance of say 20-25 ft and you feel the threat level has just gone RED/CRITICAL you should be able to defend yourself but if the bad guy is right on top of you how do you handle that. Myself with current health issues could not withstand an assault from a girl scout or even a cub scout. How to train or just stay at home with the door locked?
     
  2. Blackstone

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    Could you share the name of this TV show?
     
  3. Sam1911

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    That sort of training is quite available now and becoming moreso all the time.

    Do a search for the name "SouthNarc" and you'll discover probably the premier trainer in that area. Now his stuff is mostly concentrating on what happens when the gunfight moves to contact distance and becomes not a "gunfight," but a fight, with a gun. Very realistic, very physical.

    Plenty of trainers, though, are incorporating fast, close work because that's how a very great majority of lethal force encounters happen.

    Even some competition disciplines like IDPA include a certain portion of very close, very fast shots, and even shooting from "retention" positions. (I put such shots in at least half of my matches to make sure my shooters are acquainted with the idea.)

    It can be a little difficult to find a formal "square" range that will allow such things, though, as shot angles vis-a-vis the backstop have to be carefully considered, and most places like that are dedicated to longer range marksmanship practice, not gunfighting.

    Look for clubs affiliated with IDPA and USPSA and you'll have a better chance of finding places to shoot and train which are more comfortable with non-square-range practices.
     
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    Fred Fuller Moderator Emeritus

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    How to train or just stay at home with the door locked?

    http://shivworks.com/ is a fundamental starting point IMHO, echoing what Sam said above. Shivworks is Southnarc's training organization...
     
  5. conw

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    No disagreement here but Craig Douglas (Southnarc) also teaches a most excellent vehicle course, edged weapon course, and "structures" (worst case scenario inside a building for a non LEO/mil) course. Overall he develops "tacticians" who can adapt to unpredictable scenarios.

    Whether you peg yourself as likely to need "up close and personal" skillz his instruction will take your confidence, understanding, and adaptability to the next level.
     
  6. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator Emeritus

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    Surely! My one concern is that the OP said...

    I don't know if one of Craig's classes would really work for a person in a weakened physical state. Does he have any that depend/concentrate more on the gun and distance?
     
  7. conw

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    Sam, great question.

    People in their 70s (and I'm not talking about Canadian lumberjacks who haven't heard of retirement or some other type of anomalous elder) have taken his courses and gotten something out of it.

    The course is not just a tactics/skillset course but also a legitimate simulation of a violent encounter, i.e. a reality-check. Although I am sure some 70 somethings might sit out certain "evos" (and no-one is pressured in any way to do otherwise) there is a very good reason they should take it: Craig is a WELL regarded trainer who, by virtue of appearing on one's training resume, can bolster the credibility of a defendant (or potential defendant) in a rather unique way.

    We often discuss how old, infirm, or disabled people might be more justified in certain situations resorting to force sooner than a younger person who was in the same situation by virtue of their inability to withstand an attack. But this is not a given; rather, it's at the discretion of the jury (or DA). If an individual can claim through actual training experience that his or her decision to use force peremptorily was not based on a conjecture or a guess or a "bad feeling", but can articulate an evaluation based on training and on real experiential learning by a nationally renowned trainer of civilians, military, and police that led that individual to realize his/her shortcomings in a defensive scenario, well, I think that goes a long way - and so does at least one actual criminal defense attorney whose opinion I have seen on the matter (specifically re. Southnarc's classes).

    To more directly address your question the Armed Movement In Structures (AMIS) course involves no physical contact and is shooting and movement based (the ECQC course I was alluding to above involves physical contact). That one would be a good starter to get a taste of what Craig has to offer. I recommend it for anyone unsure about the physicality of ECQC.
     
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    Ok, very cool! Thanks for the info.
     
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    Well worth emphasizing and repeating. :)
     
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    We've had 15 year old girls and 70 year old grandmas through ECQC here in CO & none of them have been hurt/disabled/beat up on/etc.

    ECQC with an honest, up front explanation of your physical limitations is the answer to the original question.
     
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