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Two-gun shoulder rigs?

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by Cosmoline, Oct 22, 2004.

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  1. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Member

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    I've been experimenting around with various shoulder rigs and while I've found some good ones (Galco and Null) I have problems with the balance. Null's, like the Galco executive rig, hooks down on your belt on the off side, and the weight of the handgun causes an imbalance I find very annoying. Galco's Miami style rigs are better but still the handgun usually weighs more than the mags or speed strips and there's an imbalance over time.

    What I'm wondering is why not just sling a duplicate handgun in place of the ammo carrier? It would allow for a "New York reload" and would ride a lot easier. After all your back can hold an enormous amount of weight, but a slight imbalance can really mess it up over time.
     
  2. Serpico

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    Maybe for a nice walk in winter with a big coat, or if you live in a cabin, but in an everyday work/play environmet it seems that would be a very bulky rig to conceal.
     
  3. R.H. Lee

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    Kinda like Bruce Willis in Last Man Standing? I wonder if the credits in the movie might mention a holster maker?
     
  4. Cosmoline

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    If one handgun is concealed on one side and the ammo packs on the other, why couldn't two handguns be concealed?
     
  5. Logistar

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    I am experimenting with this very thing.

    I am using a DeSantis New York Undercover Rig. I am experimenting with a revolver (weak side) and a semi-auto (strong side).

    My thought is that I'll have 5 or 6 reliable revolver shots (I could at times even load it with "shot" for certain "applications"). If I empty the revolver then I can go to my semi-auto instead of reload.

    It has been warm here and I need a jacket to conceal the revolver. I'll see if this actually works and if I like it. Potential problems include... too much weight and having 2 different guns. (Semi is DA/SA)

    I actually use Uncle Mike's nylon holsters to hold the guns. I already had nylon shoulder holsters for all my carry guns so I just bought the harness from Desantis and attached the nylon holsters. - works fine.

    Questions or comments are welcome!

    (Now if I could just get really GOOD with my left hand.........!!!!)

    Logistar
     
  6. Checkman

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    Now you have the perfect excuse to own two of the same models - whatever your favorite model/model should happen to be. Glock 27's Sig 229, S&W 649 etc. Isn't life grand? :D
     
  7. TallPine

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    Hey, you ever see that Jesse James movie "American Outlaws" ?

    IIRC, Jesse had two shoulder rigs, left and right, plus four more revolvers on his belt. They were all 1851 Colts I think.

    Six guns ought to be enough .... :D
     
  8. Mixlesplick

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    I don't own a 1911 but I wouldn't want to buy a holster that required me to carry it with the hammer down on an empty chamber. It looks like the HAK/HAK would work fine on the double action/singel action guns like Sigs.

    If Fist would make one of their vertical shoulder holsters in a double I wouldn't mind trying that with a pair of Kahrs. It looks like they could easily do it.
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    GALCO made the rig for the 'Last Man Standing' movie.
    They will make a double carry shoulder rig for any handguns our little heart desires to carry including the H&K MP5K.
     
  10. Lone Star

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    In the last two seasons of "The Lost World", the character Lord John Roxton, played by Will Snow, had a double shoulder holster rig for his brace of nickled Webley Mk. VI revolvers.

    I thought it was silly, and just something that a screenwriter would love.
    It was probably rather uncomfortable.

    If you want to see it, the show still runs on TNT at 5:00AM, Central time, and the first two seasons are out on DVD. Third season is due out on Nov. 16.


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  11. Cosmoline

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    "The Lost World" is perhaps the most fun that can be had on early AM TV :D Women in leather carrying vintage rifles. Mmmmm

    But I agree my first response to two-gun rigs was that they are silly and the products of Hollywood. But then again as I sit here my Galco rig, otherwise an excellent product, is leaning once again towards my revolver side and will need to be adjusted again. The ammo simply doesn't balance with the revolver. But another revolver would balance exactly.
     
  12. Imaginos

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    Carry More Ammo?

    Most of the old west gunfighters carried multiple handguns because Safariland didn't make speedloaders for cap and ball pistols, and nobody wanted to get killed for a lack of shooting back.

    During the War of Northern Aggression, the partisans of Missouri that rode with Quantrill and Andreson carried as many revolvers as they could lay their hands on just for that reason.

    John Wesley Hardin had a "vest" made by El Paso Saddlery to carry his Colts. El Paso still offers double rigs in their catalog, and they have an excellent reputation for service and quality.

    Mernickle Custom Holsters and Kirkpatrick also offer double rigs.
     
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    I carry a Glock 19 in a Galco Jackass rig, with two Glock 17 +2 mags on the off side. The balance is just about right.

    And, yes, I have considered going the distance and getting a second holster for the off side for one of my other handguns. The problem then is "Where do I put the ammo?" Seriously, the reason i use the shoulder rig is to have the gun and ammo available for putting on in one easy package, day or night, no matter how I'm dressed. Make the ammo pouch a second holster, and I now need a belt and mag pouches for the ammo.
     
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    Thought about doing this for my Beretta in the car since 2 10 rounders will be too light.

    I'll probably have Blade-Tech do it.
     
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    Make that four of a kind. If you are forced to use your weapon, expect all weapons on your person to be confiscated. So, you need backups to each one at home.

    Tragic, no? ;)
     
  16. Cosmoline

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    I figure I'll just throw the revolver at the enemy when i'm empty :D Seriously, I don't plan on a protracted gunfight with one or even two snubbies. If I have time to reload, I figure I should be using that time to run back to my truck to get my rifle.
     
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    "Make the ammo pouch a second holster, and I now need a belt and mag pouches for the ammo."

    With a Glock 19 and a second gun you would still need spare ammo?
     
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    I think a "NY reload" setup makes a lot of sense in a shoulder rig. Plus it gives you more options for drawing and employing a weapon. For instance if you're strong hand had more important things to do than go for a weapon.

    Another option to balence weight would be to add a big honking knife or multi-tool to the light side. Knives can be handy for more than just self defense.
     
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    Cosmoline,

    I can't afford it myself, but I've long wanted one of these holsters from Mernickle.

    Extra nice because it allows carry of spare mags AND the balance of two guns.

    So, get it and let me know what you think. If you say it's a keeper, then I'll start saving up. :D

    Black Snowman, that's really why I would want a gun on each side (besides the balance issue). We are supposed to train shooting from either hand in case the other is out of action... well, what if it is out of action when it is time to draw? I don't think I could draw from the shoulder holster on the same side... well, maybe, but slow and ackward.
     
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    Oooh I really like that Mernickle rig. Pricey, but looks worth it.
     
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    Thanks for the comment about, "The Lost World" being the most early AM fun that one can have. I'll probably tell the members of that program's official "board". www.lostworldtv.net and click on "Message Boards" to read the forums. Still going strong, despite the fourth season having been cancelled. (Amazon.com will have Third Season DVD's about Nov. 16.)

    But the "women in leather" with vintage rifles isn't quite true, most of the time. The lady with a rifle (and handgun!) is Marguerite Krux, played by the delightful Rachel Blakely. (Most of the cast, like her, are Aussies.) Marguerite wears conventional clothes for the era, most of the time. Of course, for the "Amazons" episode, she was in brief leather. And she's worn some nice, lacy camisoles...

    The chick in the leather loincloth is Veronica, played by Jennifer O'Dell, the sole American in the cast. (She's been guest starring on such shows as, "Charmed", "Nip,Tuck", and "General Hospital" lately.)

    Jen's character usually relies on her knives. She has a Fairbairn-Sykes type in her boot and two throwing knives in the back of her loincloth in later seasons. Used a different knife in the first season, and her outfit has also varied with the three seasons. She complained that the original outfit shrank when it got wet. I'm sure that they had all sorts of male complaints over that...:D :D

    Both Jen and Rachel are hot, smart ladies, ideally cast for their roles. The loss of this excellent show hit me deeply. They had some silly shows, the fantasy-based ones. But the more adventure-oriented shows were good, and the cast's obvious chemistry made, "Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's The Lost World" one of the most loved TV programs in recent days, and the fan base is more loyal than any I've heard of, other than "Trekkers". It was one of the few TV shows to feature an armed cast who weren't cops or bad guys.

    It's well worth filming, if you can't be up at 5:00AM. Keep in mind that this is Central US time.

    Lone Star
     
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    I have bought some of the fine products these folks have for sale. Their shoulder rig is the single most comfortable one I have ever worn, probably due to the very wide strap that goes across the shoulder area. I have the single autopistol shoulder rig in black leather, with a double mag carrier on the left side. I altered my double mag carrier to accept a ColdSteel Tanto and sheath horiziontally. Very friendly folks, very comfortable rig and I would buy one again. The link is below...

    http://www.nelsonleather.com/shoulder1.htm
     
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    I have bought some of the fine products these folks have for sale. Their shoulder rig is the single most comfortable one I have ever worn, probably due to the very wide strap that goes across the shoulder area. I have the single autopistol shoulder rig in black leather, with a double mag carrier on the left side. I altered my double mag carrier to accept a ColdSteel Tanto and sheath horiziontally. Very friendly folks, very comfortable rig and I would buy one again. BTW, when the pistol is fully loaded, and the two spare mags are loaded as well... I have 43 rounds of .45 ACP on me :what: :D The link is below...

    http://www.nelsonleather.com/shoulder1.htm
     
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    I catch it in motels whenever I can, but as it airs at either five or six AM I'm a little groggy. All that stays with me are the vital parts. Vintage firearms and leather underthings on shapely females :D

    I've been impressed by the show. It has some anchronisms in it, but mostly the firearms are appropriate for the period. A lot of break-top revolvers and iron-sighted rifles. It's good B-grade adventure, something you don't see that much of anymore.

    [​IMG]

    It's also got Germans with Lugers and, of course, ninjas. And reptile men. And pirates.
     
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    So it isn't really "Lost" per se, just inconvenient to get to? :D
     
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