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Twoblink's Ranch Rifle

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by cslinger, Oct 14, 2004.

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  1. cslinger

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    Ok so I gather we have the following requirements.

    Legality in CA doesn't matter.
    It must be magazine fed.
    It must be a suitably logistic caliber, .223 or .308 being the top choices.
    It must be acceptably accurate but not at tack driver.
    Based on his choices, it seems he wants it to have a hint of evil in it.
    We want to keep the cost down for ammo, gun, and accessories.


    I submit to you a VEPR K in .223 or a SAIGA in .308.

    Both are in the $350-$550 range.
    Both use ammo that is falls into your logistics requirement.
    Both are acceptably accurate out of the box, with the nod to the VEPR.
    Both have 20-30 round magazines available.
    Both have built in scope mounts that allow for use of iron sights as well.
    Both have Excellent world class scopes and red dots available for inexpensive prices (POSP scopes, PK-AS, PK-01V red dots.)
    The VEPR K is reasonably short.
    Both have that evil cache' to them.
    Both will be reliable in any conditions or with most abuse.
    Both are so far from an AR-15 that it is not even funny.
    Both are so simple to clean it is not even funny.
    Neither require a whole heck of a lot of cleaning in the first place.
    Both will shoot any bullet weight or type you can come up with.
    Both will easily shoot 100 yards with reasonable accuracy.
    Both have good quality aftermarket peep sights available if desired and the sights are reasonably cheap. $50 or so.
    Both will hold zero with the detachible scopes and the iron sights unless you run over them with a Tank.
    Both will stand up to extremes of temperature.
    Both use COMBAT tested actions.


    So what's not to like.


    Sounds like a perfect fit to me.

    Chris
     
  2. Bwana John

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    He still hasent said what he is protecting aganst, I gessin a select fire AK with a folding stock might be the best tool.
     
  3. cslinger

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    Actually I still stand by my Lever thutty thutty or .357 for overall utility.

    Well if the ground is really flat and we open this up to select fire how about something on a mount. Maybe a nice Browning .30 caliber or say FN MAG or Minimi. That way he could take care of everything from the comfort of his front porch sitting in a nice chair sipping a mint julip or something like that. :D
     
  4. BerettaNut92

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    Is it light enough and have a short LOP for Janie?
     
  5. cslinger

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    If it is not go with a .223 AK varient from AKUSA or Arsenal. They are most assuredly light enough, have all the benefits listed above and can be had with either the standard short AK stock or an the longer Americanized one. The standard AK stock and rifle is very short and handy IMO.
     
  6. Harry Tuttle

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    howz about a kalashkikov in 6.8SPC?
    :evil:
     
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    My vote.
     
  8. TechBrute

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    Since when did we start referring to a measly 25 acres as a ranch? 25000 acres... sure.

    :D :neener: :D
     
  9. Redlg155

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    I vote for the .308 Saiga, but with the PG conversion.


    Good Shooting
    Red
     
  10. twoblink

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    6lbs or less so my gf can tote it.
    preferably takes .223
    preferably semi-auto
    has hi-cap mags available
    preferably M16 mag compatible
    for a ranch gun, I'd prefer a straight stock, not a pistol grip, but not that big of a deal
    easy and reliable gas system
    accuracy, 2MOA from stance
    can sustain probably 100 rounds of firing continuously and still maintain 2-3 MOA or so.

    most of you will say that looks like the specs for an AR ultralight shorty.. Except, I don't believe in AR's. (what's there not to believe? trust me, don't start..)

    So far, not a single gun has all the these seemingly simple requirements. The SU-16 comes close, but not really designed for prolonged engagements, and I question even the gas structure being polymer.

    The AR180B so far, fits specs, but the QA/QC problems leaves me a little uneasy.

    The Mini14 requires an additional $150 or so for accurizing.

    The M1 Carbine won't drop a guy at 150 yards.

    I cannot be, the only person, who have asked for these requirements. And, of course, I blame it on blindfolded zealot lemming gun owners for all of this. They blindly embrace systems that are vastly inferior, and do not put pressure on the manufacturers to produce and improve.

    I was just flipping through the webpages, $1500 for a 1911? Yeah, that's real progress..
    Vast suggestions of me buying a gun that barfs where it eats? I don't think so.. and I always get quotes like "Well, if it's good enough for the military".. and I laugh, and say, "find me a soldier who doesn't think most Generals have their heads up their rear ends..." and these guys were the ones that decided on the M16's right??

    I'm gonna keep looking.. if my search for a good ranch gun is annoying everybody, I apologize for the annoyance; but what I don't apologize for, is settling on inferior guns and calling it a day.
     
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    Try a CETME. My wife tried one awhile back--her first time to shoot a centerfire rifle--it sure put a smile on her face.
     
  13. another48hrs

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    Somebody needs a Daewoo DR200. Come on a guy from the ROC with a rifle from the ROK.:D

    6lbs or less so my gf can tote it. (7lbs, whats 1 extra pound?)
    preferably takes .223 (check)
    preferably semi-auto (check)
    has hi-cap mags available (check)
    preferably M16 mag compatible (check)
    for a ranch gun, I'd prefer a straight stock, not a pistol grip, but not that big of a deal (It has a thumbhole)
    easy and reliable gas system (Gas Piston ran)
    accuracy, 2MOA from stance
    can sustain probably 100 rounds of firing continuously and still maintain 2-3 MOA or so. (I've heard of great accuracy, but no hands on or witnessed with my own eyes)
     
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    Daewoo? I will take a look. Again, I have no blind loyalities.

    CETME? Will take a look as well.

    Can I get a synthetic stock and cut .5lbs off of that?
     
  15. El Rojo

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    Couldn't he build a low budget AR for about $550? I paid $325 shipped for my Bushmaster 11.5/5.5 A2 upper with B/BC/CH and I bet he could get a complete lower with buttstock for less than or close to $225. Every PRK refuge need an AR.
     
  16. twoblink

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    El Rojo, NO AR's..

    The Daewoo's look great, but it seems like buying a car with no spare parts available if something goes wrong... (sigh)...
     
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    I'd go with cslinger's suggestion. The AK47 is one of the most reliable designs, and VEPR's line is rather accurate. Personally, I like 7.62x39mm for plinking, but .308 would add some definite power. .223 isn't my favorite, but it does work.
     
  18. Oleg Volk

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    CETNE/G3 is out due to the strength required to cycle the bolt. Janie may have trouble with it. It is also very front-heavy.
     
  19. twoblink

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    I remember CSlinger's VEPR. Heavy heavy heavy..

    but worth checking out..

    How's the accuracy on that?
     
  20. Dionysusigma

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    What about a SAR-3/WASR-3?

    6lbs or less so my gf can tote it. Check... kinda
    preferably takes .223 Check.
    preferably semi-auto Check.
    has hi-cap mags available Check.
    preferably M16 mag compatible Not quite...
    for a ranch gun, I'd prefer a straight stock, not a pistol grip, but not that big of a deal Not quite...
    easy and reliable gas system Check.
    accuracy, 2MOA from stance Check... kinda
    can sustain probably 100 rounds of firing continuously and still maintain 2-3 MOA or so. Check... kinda

    If you up the budget to $1400, you could go for a Vector V-53...
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    (except semi-only and maybe not SBRed)
    http://www.vectorarms.com/guns/hk_rifles.htm

    6lbs or less so my gf can tote it. Check.
    preferably takes .223 Check.
    preferably semi-auto Check.
    has hi-cap mags available Check.
    preferably M16 mag compatible Not quite...
    for a ranch gun, I'd prefer a straight stock, not a pistol grip, but not that big of a deal Not quite...
    easy and reliable gas system Check... kinda
    accuracy, 2MOA from stance Check.
    can sustain probably 100 rounds of firing continuously and still maintain 2-3 MOA or so. Check.
     
  21. twoblink

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    I have to add, "right and left hand friendly"

    Bushmaster makes a bullpup... that would have been great, except brass in the eyeball ruins the day...
     
  22. cslinger

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    VEPRs are very accurate.

    VEPR Ks are lighter but VEPRs are on the porky side.

    If weight and length is on of the main issues. Any of the well made AK varients in .223 would do you very well. They clock in just over your weight requirement at about 7-7.5 pounds but are very short and the better made AKs are more than accurate enough for your needs and have the added ability to take optics with ease.

    Saigas are cheap, reliable, reasonably accurate and have no pistol grip. They are a bit on the long side though which makes them feel heavier than they are.

    I still think a good lever gun is the way to go.

    Pre 64 Winchester Cowboy Tactical Rifle. I would feel very well armed with this.
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  23. ny32182

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    If the emotional detachment from ARs is to much to overcome, the second best choice is a SAR-1. Nothing else really fits the bill.

    I have a VEPR K, and let me tell you... its a beast. Probably not GF-friendly as far as the weight goes. It is very accurate for an AK style rifle though.
     
  24. BeLikeTrey

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    Where is the M14 ?

    I think it's a great rifle and damn nice to shoot. High caps available, combat proven, well a little heavy for your woman maybe, but it tames recoil. Accurate as I want and a darned nice rifle.
     
  25. BeLikeTrey

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    pretty too

    :D
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