TX Constitutional carry, deal reached

[Hartkopf]

See how that works for you, if it is so easy.

Yes it will be easy to talk to the manager. I don’t understand your point to this comment. Are you saying there’s no use in making my voice heard to a business owner/manager? Because of your experience hearing about two old toots? It seems like we should all make our voices heard to every place we do business with.

 

[JDeere]

The problem with this law is if it generates significant numbers of total ban signs in commonly used businesses and offices. We will see about that.

Yes I wonder about how that will all play out. Posting the .05 sign and call it good for some I'm sure. Many places especially restaurants posted .07 signs just because they wanted to keep the peace between customers who had differing opinions. I think if restaurants and grocery stores post the .05 it will kill their business. I've always carried concealed and will always do so. I just don't feel the need to advertise just because I can. The element of surprise has its benefits imo.

 

[Kevin Keith]

Everything has a drive-thru, from pharmacy to burgers, and a grocery stores have pick up services, so I don't even have to go in any stores. That leaves the LGS and my barber, neither of which will put up the signs.

 

[GEM]

If HEB posts, WalMart posts and Target post, there are not that many grocery outlets left if you want to go in. Also what is the number of folks who would actual take action? The percent of folks with LTCs is not that large and most don't do EDC. I'm sure the stores I mentioned saw no blips in sales over the 30.07s. If you are just going to shop on line or drive through, well then they won't know you are protesting and business will be fine.

As far as making your opinion known, of course do it. I'm saying the boycott ploy is overdone. We will see what happens.

All the OC folks I saw were not impressive.

 

[hps1]

While a diversion, I always opposed businesses being able to ban carry. The MUH PROPERTY RIGHTZ don't trump the right to defend yourself. If you are open to the public, you don't take away their rights. You expect the public to pay taxes for the police and fire to come to your joint. Why should we pay for that if you take away the right of self-defense. Have your 'rights' and put out your own fires and deal with crime yourself.

^^^This + ThisVVV


https://persecusa.com/html/free/freestuff-merchantcards.htm

There are print shops that offer printed versions which can be found by doing a Google or Duck Duck search.

ETA:

If HEB posts, WalMart posts and Target post, there are not that many grocery outlets left if you want to go in.

The larger chains will be harder to impress, but I already shop HEB curbside pickup (and have been so spoiled to it that plan to continue even after the plandemic) ; Sam's and Walmart also offer curbside and even free delivery (WM on >$35 order and Sams to plus members). So, there ya go, I never liked shopping in crowds anyway! More than one way to skin a cat.

Regards,
hps

 

[GEM]

My manager friend was all for concealed carry but not open. Anyway, just to be picky, the vast majority of LTC folks are untrained as determined by research done by progun trainers (remember that - the progun trainers found that most LTC folks have little training beyond the LTC course). Given that the minimal requirement is gone - what does the card say:

For reasons that are hard to understand, some stores don't want untrained ....
The four points aren't going to be true - the training one was never true.

So that argument is undercut.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

While a diversion, I always opposed businesses being able to ban carry. The MUH PROPERTY RIGHTZ don't trump the right to defend yourself. If you are open to the public, you don't take away their rights. You expect the public to pay taxes for the police and fire to come to your joint. Why should we pay for that if you take away the right of self-defense. Have your 'rights' and put out your own fires and deal with crime yourself.

Legally, sure enough, most private property rights DO trump the right to carry a gun on that property, which is not the same as the right to self defense, though many folks like to comingle to two concepts when they are legally distinct.

What is really hypocritical is when you see gun folks supporting not being able to be armed and loaded at gun shows, you know, for 'safety.' Or like when gun stores don't allow loaded guns inside their shops out of concerns for 'safety' (ala https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/t...hooting-at-gun-store-in-louisiana/ar-BB1dRJAV ). You know, can't have a loaded gun in a gun store because that would be dangerous.

Maybe if we considered ourselves safe enough with guns, some of the other businesses might come around as well. We don't and they won't.

 

[JDeere]

All the OC folks I saw were not impressive.

Yep the few I have seen were totally clueless and not paying attention to their surroundings. I like to shop for my groceries and pick my items. You never know when you will find a deal not advertised. Not to mention the entertainment is priceless especially at Wally World...

 

[Insignificant bill]

Miami police chief calls new Texas handgun measure "ridiculous" (msn.com)

Miami Police Chief Art Acevedo, who used to lead the Houston Police Department, called a new measure approved by the Texas state Legislature that would allow people to carry handguns without a license "ridiculous" and urged Governor Greg Abbott to veto the bill.

Says the ass that ruins every police department he is in charge of then bails.

 

[jmorris]

If HEB posts, WalMart posts and Target post, there are not that many grocery outlets left if you want to go in.

Kroger, Tom Thumb, Brookshire’s, Win co, ALDI, Albertsons, Fiesta, Sams, Costco. The list of course will be location dependent. I think I drove by all of the above this weekend though, maybe a few others as well.

 

[Choctaw]

Says the ass that ruins every police department he is in charge of then bails.

Yep, he's an idiot.

 

[GEM]

We get it about Art. Antigun to the core.

 

[old lady new shooter]

Says the ass that ruins every police department he is in charge of then bails.

I didn't even realize he's now in Miami until I read about that statement. Where was he between L.A. and Miami?

 

[old lady new shooter]

See how that works for you, if it is so easy. While this is only one anecdote, when a local restaurant chain put up a 30.07, I asked the manager about push back. She said two old toots had tantrums on the first day and that was it. There was no drop in business.

If the signs do go up at the WalMarts, HEBs, Targets or other major locales, that will be a major unintended consequence of loss.

During the first CHL period, lots of ghost buster signs went up all over. It was only the move to 30.06's that took some of them down. Now the 30.07s seem to have broken the bias against ugly signs. Antis will push for them.

It has always been a strategy to make carry such a pain that folks won't do it. If you have to leave your gun in the car, repeatedly that is not good.

While a diversion, I always opposed businesses being able to ban carry. The MUH PROPERTY RIGHTZ don't trump the right to defend yourself. If you are open to the public, you don't take away their rights. You expect the public to pay taxes for the police and fire to come to your joint. Why should we pay for that if you take away the right of self-defense. Have your 'rights' and put out your own fires and deal with crime yourself.

I didn't read the whole thread. Just want to ask about WalMart since it was mentioned. The last I heard, they "requested" (not ordered) their customers not to open carry in their stores, but didn't mention concealed carry. Has that changed?

 

[edcknives]

Personally believe open carry in stores, restaurants and general public businesses and such is totally unnecessary. Concealed carry completely different. The chances of actually needing to use a firearm are so minuscule unless you are a practical idiot and have no situational awareness as you need to stay away from those settings if you have any sense. Discrete concealed carry is not about making a statement but having the ultimate option of self defense.

 

[Hartkopf]

I didn't read the whole thread. Just want to ask about WalMart since it was mentioned. The last I heard, they "requested" (not ordered) their customers not to open carry in their stores, but didn't mention concealed carry. Has that changed?

The discussion is about what businesses will do with the new constitutional carry law. It will be easy for a business to post the 30.05 sign which will ban all firearms in the business. If this is the case, the new law will be a huge net loss for people who are now licensed to carry.

 

[Insignificant bill]

I didn't read the whole thread. Just want to ask about WalMart since it was mentioned. The last I heard, they "requested" (not ordered) their customers not to open carry in their stores, but didn't mention concealed carry. Has that changed?

Austin and Houston

 

[Insignificant bill]

I didn't read the whole thread. Just want to ask about WalMart since it was mentioned. The last I heard, they "requested" (not ordered) their customers not to open carry in their stores, but didn't mention concealed carry. Has that changed?

They have no signs posted in this part of Texas, where you live may be different.

 

[old lady new shooter]

They have no signs posted in this part of Texas, where you live may be different.

I thankfully live in Arizona. Haven't been to Walmart in person since COVID started but I'd be very surprised if they posted their stores here.

 

[old lady new shooter]

Austin and Houston

In Austin and Houston they posted their stores no firearms period?

 

[TRX]

Legally, sure enough, most private property rights DO trump the right to carry a gun on that property

Once you put the copy of your business license up, your property isn't really "private" any more.

 

[chicharrones]

In Austin and Houston they posted their stores no firearms period?

@Insignificant bill just quoted the wrong post. The Austin and Houston comment was about your question in post #88.

Regarding open and concealed carry at Walmarts in Austin and Houston, I only saw the 30.07 signage that banned open carry.

But the all encompassing "no firearms whatsoever" sign (30.05) is looming on the horizon.

 

[milsurpguy]

Here's how I take care of it.
I politely take down the "no guns allowed sign", and stuff it in the nearest trash can.
If they can't stop me from doing that then they aren't stopping at deranged person with a gun, mad man who put hardware store chemicals in a metal pipe, peaceful looters with molotov cocktails, ect.
Problem solved.

 

[chicharrones]

Here's how I take care of it.
I politely take down the "no guns allowed sign", and stuff it in the nearest trash can.
If they can't stop me from doing that then they aren't stopping at deranged person with a gun, mad man who put hardware store chemicals in a metal pipe, peaceful looters with molotov cocktails, ect.
Problem solved.

I have a feeling you aren't talking about the 30.06 and 30.07 signs here in Texas. Those things can be like speed limit signs here.

 

[GEM]

I'm tempted to delete that post but I will leave it up. That is a ridiculous and illegal action. Try that in TX with the big signs and you will go for the 'ride' in the nice car with flashing lights. We do not condone illegal actions or vandalism.