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Tx Feral Pig Population To Double

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by The_Shootist, Mar 19, 2013.

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  1. JRH6856

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    Well, deer and hogs eat pretty much the same thing. And if you put up a sign that says "For Deer Only", hogs can't read. (Except for Arnold on Green Acres).
     
  2. HB

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    That was my assumption. Most of the hogs in Missouri are here because "outfitters" released them for clients to hunt and they escaped or were released on public land illegally to start with. Just my opinion without much science involved but I believe "hunters" are by and large responsible for our nation's hog ills. Its not like they just swam over from Europe in the past 20 years.

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  3. Art Eatman

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    Aw, I dunno, HB. Hogs have been imported into the US since way back in the sailing-ship days.

    Used to be, what we now call feral hogs were relatively-free-ranging, but were a meat source for both owners and the markets. Remember, prior to WW II, almost half the workforce was on-farm. Now, under three percent of the workforce. Far fewer people "working the land" on a daily basis.

    Times changed. Now we have pork factories and egg factories and so forth. Free-ranging hogs pretty much stayed free-ranging. And, as been noted, they have two or three litters per year and several piglets per litter.

    Sure, some number of hunters may have introduced the ferals into new areas, but they expand into new territory on their own.
     
  4. Patocazador

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    The hogs around here were originally introduced by DeSoto in the 1500s.
     
  5. nathan

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    Texas hogs breed and proliferate , maybe because of the many food and water sources . These hogs thrive in just about anything . Very resilient animal .
     
  6. MCgunner

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    I'm a small land owner who loves his pork, so BRING IT ON, BABY! More pigs the merrier. :D

    I looked in to selling pigs. There's a buyer 20 miles from me in Hallettsville. 25 cents a pound. Even if I were trapping a lot of 'em (I'm not, yet, not here) that's hardly worth the gas to mess with. I trap for vittles. I'm lazy and a day time person. I'd rather snuggle with mama when the pigs are on the prowl. :D I set the trap and take my chances with it. I've trapped a lot of hogs on my other place, but we just got here several months ago. We have pigs, get 'em on the game cam, just haven't found their way to the trap, YET.
     
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    LOL, and my wife bought 8 chickens at TSC the other day. We know 6 are hens, other two were unsexed, probably going to be roosters. I just framed a chicken pen, ain't quite finished and don't have the hutch, yet. I told her, eggs and chicken are CHEAP at HEB. Listen to those chicks, CHEEP, CHEEP, CHEEP! But, she thinks they're cute, been buying these chicken magazines. :rolleyes: Oh, well, I guess farm fresh eggs are good for ya, but I HATE cleaning chickens. I'll breast out a hundred wild ducks to avoid cleaning a chicken. :rolleyes: I already told her I'll filet the breast, maybe the thigh, but that's it. I ain't pickin' and I ain't guttin'. Danged things are disgusting. I got no problem butchering a pig, though, go figure. :D With any luck, the coyotes will raid the hen house. There was a pack practically in the front yard the other night. And, the owls and hawks are plentiful. It's a dangerous world out there for a chicken. :D
    An' the pig on the Geico commercials.

    Hogs are survivors. Hogs are omnivores, will eat carrion, bird eggs, animals they can catch, about anything, Deer are vegans.
     
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  8. JRH6856

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    Which is why we got more hogs than deer. When the deer can't find food, the hogs still can...the deer.
     
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    I hadn't considered the rise of commercial farming but it makes sense. Most of our land is devoted to agriculture or homes now and the animals that can tolerate both have the highest populations. In Missouri most hunting is by and large over crop fields or in the woods near them (at least above Interstate 70). I don't know how many people use feeders to attract deer but from what I gather it is far less frequent here than it is in TX and some other states. Hogs are becoming a problem in southern Mo but nearly as widespread as it is down there. I'd like to keep it that way!

    I feel that hunting in TX is much different that it is here but regardless of what you use as "bait", hogs can present a major problem. I won't go into my opinions of what constitutes as baiting but any corn field would be a hot spot for hogs (and is for deer) in my area.

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  10. Double Naught Spy

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    The article in the OP notes the population at 2.5 million, which is too many hogs. HOWEVER, and this is a big HOWEVER, the doubling population seems to be a bit of a myth.

    Interesting and scary stats, so I tracked the estimates from the past in a previous thread.
    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=675442&highlight=hog+million+population

    By a previous article estimates on population growth, we should be closer to 9 million hogs given that we had 2 million in Texas in 2005. Given the current article's estimates of 12% per year increase, we should be at close to 4.95 million hogs today based on the 2005 estimate of 2 million...and yet we are just at 2.5 million. How is that possible?

    In the previous article, growth was rated at 18-21% and at 21% and starting in 2005 with 2 million, we should be at over 9 million hogs now.

    Note that the claim in the OP article is also out of line. With a sustained growth rate of 12%, a current population of 2.5 million hogs will not double in 5 years. At 12% per year, the population will just be 4.4 million in 5 years. After 6, not 5, it will be 4.93 million. So actually, it will take over 6 years for the population to double, but as noted, the purported potential for doubling stemmed from such a growth rate does not appear to be materializing.

    In short, the interpretation of the data appears to be bogus and alarmist. Either the people can't count (population estimate), have miscalculated the population growth rate, or both, as the numbers just aren't there to support the claims being made.
     
  11. X-Rap

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    I can't believe the present day crisis is due to hogs that were brought here in the 1500's. If such were the case we would have seen this explosion a 100 yrs ago. I'm in agreement with those who say the proliferation is due more to the modern "paid hunt" and outfitters and land owners wanting more options/income than what was native and controled by game dept's. As far as charging to hunt, I have no problem with trespass fees and the like to the point that my tax and license fees go to the landowner who makes claims against damage but keeps his land closed up.
     
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    At some point, the population of those hogs HAS to go well beyond carrying capacity and then crash in a typical J growth pattern. This is normal for animals with very high natality rates regardless of predation, like rabbits. I don't, however, have a clue where that carrying capacity is for hogs in an average Texas habitat. This is what biologists spend all their time doing, but that article never mentions carrying capacity.
     
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    Yep!!

    i'm not a biologist. i have spent thousands of hours hunting, observing and trapping wild hogs. Much of the stuff printed about wild hogs flys in the face of reason. Authors of wild hog "studies" often fail to mention the fact that many wild pigs die: The coyotes and bobcats kill pigs, big boars kill pigs, and fire ants kill some pigs. Heck, 10-15 percent of farm raised pigs die before reaching market weight.

    Every wild hog "study" i have ever read makes a big deal about wild hogs being prolific breeders. They talk about sows being bred at 32 weeks of age, huge litters and two or three litters per year. They almost never mention the effect of drought, lack of acorns, pecans, etc on wild sow breeding. The vast majority of sows in the areas i hunt have one litter per year; in a good year.

    IME: Wild sows seldom breed before one year of age. i have killed and trapped dozens of 1-3 year old sows that have never borne a litter. Some counties in central OK had a very good pecan crop last year. The vast majority of sows are either running with litters or pregnant. The same is not true of SW OK.

    You can't take data collected from pig farming and apply that data to wild hogs. Yet, numerous fish and game biologists and others do just that.
     
  14. JRH6856

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    Hogs, as has been noted, eat just about anything. That means that as the hog population grows, it competes with other wildlife for sustenance. Other animals are not as flexible in their diet so hogs have the advantage there. The common need is water, and we don't exactly have an abundance of that.
     
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    I still got my deer feeders going, sometimes it is like a black cloud coming out of the brush, solid pigs, I open up with an AR, AK, mini 14 whatever I got in my truck, then got to spend a good half hour dragging them off to the gut pile. got lots of fat lazy buzzards and coyotes around now.
     
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    I saw the first sign of hogs on our farm in Bastrop, Texas in 2007. Before that day we had never even heard of any hog sightings in our area since we have owned the property (1974). I must admit I was really excited at first, had something big and bad to go shoot with no restrictions! Was able to justify my first AR-15 purchase and then my M1A. Now its a war of attrition out there, a loaded rifle must be kept within arms reach at all times if you want to have any chance of success. There is just no ryme or reason to the darn things.
     
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    Hi, I live in Puerto Rico and we are seeing more and more hogs in the mountains along the the northern part of the island. They have a good supply of vegetation to sustain and are of considerable size. Waiting on an opportunity to go out hunting.
     
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    Well, one good thing about Puerto Rico; unless the hogs are really good swimmers, they can't get away. Of course the bad thing is if you don't kill them fast enough you'll be neck deep in hogs.
     
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    Let s just say , They are here to stay. In the next ten years the hog pop could reach six million unless something happens like a hog virus that would put a dent on their propagation. These hogs are really very resilient and adaptable. More collateral damage , too, on farmlands as they root them every single night looking for tubers, roots, worms and other crawlies.
     
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    That is cheap.... Most everywhere I see is charging $250 minimum, and they are filling up without a problem.

    The problem is that hunters alone cannot control the population. The feral hog herd in Texas is far to large for hunters to kill enough (by conventional means) to keep their population in check.

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    I am a land owner and a hunter. I know very few people that call themselves hunters that I would allow on my property. It is amazing how many people call themselves accomplished hunters out for that big buck that shoot the first thing with antlers they see.

    As far as hogs go, give me a helicopter or quality night vision. That will help solve the problem.
     
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    The Jimmy dean brand needs to set up shop in Texas.
     
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