Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by xring3, Apr 16, 2019 at 5:39 PM.
Bought this at a LGS about 3 weeks ago.
Wow, that’s an incredible find. Never seen one that nice.
Very nice, especially with an intact chrysanthemum.
VERY nice, with Mum and anti-aircraft sight ears still intact! Even the stock is in good shape. Only thing its missing is the dust cover (and a bayonet, of course).
The presence of an intact Mum means it was captured rather than surrendered, usually. One of the nicest Arisakas Ive seen in years, thanks for sharing!
Ps- not that you will probably need to, but use caution if you sand the stock- the shellac they used is toxic if inhaled as dust!
Very nice find, especially at your local gun shop! It's in great shape and still has the mum intact.
There are a couple of schools of thought regarding the missing dust cover. Some believe that Japanese soldiers discarded them because they had a tendency to rattle somewhat, possibly giving away their position. Others have put forth the theory that American G.I.s, once they acquired a Japanese rifle, saw little value in the dust cover and simply took them off and threw them away.
Nice early war Ari!
You have to remove the cover before the bolt, too, making cleaning a bit more tedious.
Strangely, my T99 is beat to death, but still has a nice cover, lol.
Here's the data sheet on it if you don't already know the details.
Very nice one BTW. If you can't read the sheet I'll see if I can provide the full size image.
Some info on the 99 in general......the OP's seems to be missing the mono pod as well. I like them, they are a little like the swiss army knife of guns....everything is hung off the thing.
Now some "real" on the stupid dust cover.
No the japanese did not remove them because they rattle....in most armies they tend to frown upon the rank and file tossing bits they don't want away. And they did not rattle if matched to the rifle....yes they are SN# to that gun. The japanese took great pride in their equipment....remember it is not theirs it belonged to GOD.....you know the skinny guy on the white horse in the photos.
At the end of the war it was like most things....rifles in one pile, bolts in another, you want one go pick.
Most battlefield pickups (intact mums for the most part) went back with GI Joe and they did what americans do.....they played with it, in our army we did not have that stuff, so big deal, just a nothing enemy rifle....some kept it, some did not....if....IF cleaned it was cleaned like all that stuff was, chuck it in a can of gas with your friends stuff and fish it out.....matching.....who cares, it is an enemy rifle, matching smatching.
But no, they did not discard the covers, that would be frowned upon.
The lower band on the OPs gun doesnt have the monopod attachment point. As Shimitup's data sheet illustrates, they used many different band designs.
i think it was the model 44 that had the bi pod i could be wrong, that is a nice jap. i had a good friend that like to customize japs, they were ugly compared to mausers, he used to buy for 30 bucks back in the 80's, 6.5 swedes for 75.00, 98 mauser's went for 125.00
As the war went forward they started to cut out the different things, AA sights might be useful when shooting at a Chinese biplane going 100mph, but a diving Corsair topping 400mph....a little pointless.....the mono pod went about the same time. Metal was one of those things that got hard to find in mid 40's Japan.
Note on some 99's you will see the sight and it looks like the AA sights got broken off....if it is a later rifle chances are they never got installed, and they had piles of sights already laying around.
I know very little about these Japanese rifles, but almost all of those I've seen seem to have a cracked stock. Were they a two piece stock, or did the design just tend to crack?
They were a two piece stock. That way the grain runs straight to the toe of the butt which makes it stronger for clubbing the enemies of the emperor.
Two piece, however they are also prone to cracking across the wrist area where the wood is thin-
Mine has an identical "repair."
Neat rifle. Thanks for sharing.
nice I have one similar and 10 years later never shot it yet, I need to sometime ammo is expensive though.
hope to hear how it shoots if you shoot it
Not hard to reload ammo for the 7.7x58 Japanese.
Not hard to reload for the 6.5 either, but the Arasaka's tend to be hard on brass as the chambers are not as tight as most western made rifles.
Yea, if you can reload for 3006 you can manage this.
I don't have a 6.5, but my 7.7 is not "hard on brass", not much of a resize is needed.....but again with 90% of my old guns I do load them on the soft side....really no need for ME to load them "normal", Even a softer load would be a good hunting load.
I also reload a great deal of 6.5 Carcano, and those rifles get poo-pooed more than the japanese rifles....they are a weaker action than the japanese, but they are good rifles, and also not dangerous, in accurate, or any of that other elite american BS, German/american guns are the best...british are almost as good......France only dropped once garbage.
So much just out and out incorrect info out there on a great deal of this stuff, that just hangs on and on....Now I am sure, the poster I quoted made the statement in good faith, but remember these are older rifles, and many of the "truths" we here come from people that had to experience the two way range and these things are on the other end.....so naturally they are going to be talked down, we also hear they are so bad we had to bore them out for 3006 to make them safe, shoot well....and who knows what other incorrect things have been said......these internet "truths" just keep getting past on and on.
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