U.S Army picks Sig.

[Wreck-n-Crew]

Of course we are. But I still love the Beretta, and the 1911 is still the first girl I ever kissed ...

The best of all 3 worlds? A lucky man! I like them all too.

 

[rscalzo]

Does Sig actually make ammunition or do they just subcontract and/or repackage it?<>>>

They are the manufacturer and are in the process of building a new plant in Arkansas. They will be producing their own bullets and possibly primers down the road. You might also be seeing some big news in the near future about products and services. Ignoring the civilian market? Hardly.

 

[Acera]

Ignoring the civilian market? Hardly.

Good to know they will not be going full H&K on us, you never go full H&K..






(So many memes that I want to post that are not suitable for THR.)










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[tarosean]

I just read on one of the online gun mags that Sig is selling them to the army for $207 each! The writer opined that the total cost of the new guns would be cheaper than keeping the old guns running, especially since the contract includes parts, service, holsters, etc. I'm not in a position to verify his conclusions but if that is indeed the price then it may well be cheaper than parts to keep the 92 going.

I believe the logistics, ancillary support, parts, etc are the main costs associated with these contracts.. The actual issued pistols are cheap and always have been (1911, M9).

 

[MachIVshooter]

While I can see that replacing aging M9s is something the military faces and that considering a new handgun at that time makes sense, I don't see how this pistol is really any step forward. Modularity? Please. The M9 had about as much, able to be chambered in the same .357 Sig or .40 S&W cartridges with an upper change just like the M17. Threaded barrels? Yep, can do that on an M9, too (Can even thread the stock barrel, in point of fact!). So, really, the only notable advantage to the M17 is that the grip can be customized. Jury is out on the degree to which individual soldiers will actually be able to do that.......

As well, If you're gonna call it modular, let's make it actually modular, to where any deviation from 9mm NATO could be a substantial step up, as in 10mm, 9x25 Dillon, 9x23, or any other respectable round that won't fit in a 9mm frame. And on that note, since suppressor ready seems to be a part of the criteria, there is but one common service cartridge that really excels there, and it's the good ol' .45 ACP. Pretty much everything else has to be detuned to subsonic velocities. If I'm stuck with ball ammo at <1,050 FPS, I'll take a .451" 230 grain pill over .355" 147 gr. any day.

So, yeah, I think they could have done better.

 

[jonb32248]

I read somewhere that along with the 320 they, which will be fazed in, they will be also going with Glock for some branches of service or applications. I think it was on Ammoland web site.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

The way some people complain about the 30 year old M9 getting replaced, you'd think that they would only be satisfied with it getting replaced by a laser pistol.

 

[psyopspec]

The way some people complain about the 30 year old M9 getting replaced, you'd think that they would only be satisfied with it getting replaced by a laser pistol.

 

[SC Shooter]

Oh darn! Now I'll have to go buy another weapon to add to my military collection.

 

[jhb]

The way some people complain about the 30 year old M9 getting replaced, you'd think that they would only be satisfied with it getting replaced by a laser pistol.

naw. they'd complain about that laser pistol too being no better than the m9.

 

[sbwaters]

Is there a timeline for MX17 availability -- the P320 with the thumb safety -- for the civilian market. SIG doesn’t have an inquiry email address.

 

[Nature Boy]

Oh darn! Now I'll have to go buy another weapon to add to my military collection.

Dang!

 

[pblanc]

Is there a timeline for MX17 availability -- the P320 with the thumb safety -- for the civilian market. SIG doesn’t have an inquiry email address.

SIG P320 with a thumb safety is a bit rare, but is available now. Look for a Massachusetts-compliant P320.

 

[basicblur]

The local shop had a P320 in tan that caught my eye, but boy that's one top-heavy beast.
After you fill the magazine I'm sure it will feel much better, but I think it has to be one of the most top-heavy pistols I can recall handling.

Doesn't matter - apparently the shop got a special deal on the ones he had on display, but it was 40 S&W (guess that's why he got a deal?).

If he had it in 9mm I might still be mulling it over...

 

[Goosey]

Can't help but wonder if they're not looking far enough ahead.

The Russians have armor-piercing, overpressure 9mm as standard, and the Chinese have the armor-piercing 5.8x21mm. Not sure how widespread both are in actual service.

Perhaps doesn't matter in the current conflicts, and pistols are rarely used in the first place, but if the pistol can't penetrate soft body armor it's not a great option in a conventional war, or as the use of body armor becomes more prevalent, even against irregular forces.

 

[Shinbone]

Just bought a P320 full size in 9MM. Picking it up tomorrow. Very excited about it.