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U.S has to pay hospitals for illegals.

Discussion in 'Legal' started by bg, May 10, 2005.

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  1. bg

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  2. RevDisk

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    Doctors as a rule are not supposed to give a damn of the skin color, nationality, religion, taste in music, hair color or anything else when it comes to their patients. Doctors are supposed to treat people in need of medical assistence. They treat criminals and citizens, regardless.

    Advocating that doctors break their oath is a very bad idea. What possible good can become of it?


    That said, once the criminals are stabilized, send 'em back.
     
  3. Sindawe

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    Urgent, "treat'em now or they die" type of care? No problem in my eyes, basic human decency.

    Long term, chronic "multi organ transplants" care? Nope.

    +1 RevDisk's comments.
     
  4. Art Eatman

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    Somewhwere in the vicinity of fifteen years ago, Congress passed a body of law with a couple of requirements that have had strong impact on all hospitals.

    One is that nobody can be turned away from an emergency room because of inability to pay. Thus those with no health insurance use ERs in lieu of regular doctors' offices. If they can't pay cash, all the hospital can do is attempt civil-court efforts. The obvious catch is that it's a waste of time to sue for money if the person has no money. You can't cash a judgement.

    The other part of this body of law is that the Medicare payment to small rural hospitals is less than what's paid to a large, urban hospital, for any given procedure.

    The result was that many small-town hospitals went bankrupt. Alpine, Texas; Appalachicola and Blountstown, Florida, to my own knowledge.

    So, yeah, illegals are a cost problem, but they're only part of it--not the "whole enchilada", as it were.

    "Congress, in its infinite wisdom..."

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  5. Old Fuff

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    Art is right. Prior to this new arrangement the Border Patrol could catch an injured or sick illegal and take them to our local hospital for treatment. If that person was under arrest and in formal U.S. custody Uncle Sam would pick up the bill. On the other hand if they simply picked them up and took them to the hospital, it (and by extension, the county taxpayers) would have to pay for the costs. This was hardly fair, and under the new law EVERYONE in all 50 states will pay a share - like it or not.

    In addition, it is not uncommon for a pregnant woman to illegally cross the border for the sole purpose of having her child here so it will be an American citizen. Now the rest of you can pay for part of that too.

    While it is nice to remind us of the concept that doctors should provide service for everyone regardless of circumstances, the hard fact is that this service costs money. If the hospitals end up going broke then no one will have local service - at least along the U.S./Mexican border.
     
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  6. dolanp

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    I suggest we designate a few states where they can live in happiness and safety and not be bothered by the terrible racist bigots and rednecks. These states shall be: California, New York, and New Jersey.

    :D
     
  7. DRZinn

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    Just give me time to get out first!
     
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    I know of an Irishman that had that done to him. But of course, they wern't expecting the American taxpayers to pick up their tab.
     
  9. Sawdust

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    OK, so the federal government has now promised to pay for some (note that the amount allocated will come no where near full reimbursement of the estimated costs of illegal alien health care) of the health care costs of illegal aliens.

    So, how are hospitals going to identify which indigent patients are illegal aliens, and which ones are merely poor legal citizens? When previously proposed that hospital personnel be required to make this determination, there was a huge uproar from the leftists...

    Sawdust
     
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    Remember, President Bush prefers us to use the term "Undocumented Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Alien".
     
  11. Kramer Krazy

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    I sure would love it if someone else would start paying MY medical bills. I've got a couple grand I have to shell out this year......awe well.... :(

    It's really a shame when a person is penalized for trying to do things the "right" and "responsible" way, and everyone else gets rewarded for being stupid, ignorant, and blissfully irresponsible. :rolleyes:

    I like to tell people that we live in a country that is full of "Social Service Terrorists". :banghead:
     
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    And I prefer the term "Foreign Invader" to either of those.
     
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    And if we don't like it, I guess that makes us "Vigilantes" in the eyes of the current administration.

    You can only push people so far before they push back. I am not advocating for this, just making an observation: I give it 24 months before packs of good ol'boys decide to try out those deer rifles on the border and stop the problem there.
     
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    +1
    I work in a small, rural medical facility.
     
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    That's one of the main reasons he didn't get my vote last November.
     
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    Gee, let me see if I can relate..... I live in a bankrupt state (50 BILLION in debt) where probably at least five million people are here illegally with phoney SS cards and their whole families are on Medi-Cal.

    And in 2000, Bush instituted the famous "ABC" (Anyplace But california) Policy and has been stiffing us on the fed's fair share of the tab....

    What was the question again....?

    Oh, yeah... why isn't Bush tackling the illegal immigration problem?


    Becase all of the people in big business who got him elected want those illegals here for slave labor.... and the massive $$$ cost that falls on the states is not his problem.....
     
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    Au contrare, the "leftists" in kali overwhelmingly voted in a ballot initiative to require hospitals and schools to see valid documentation before treating... the courts threw the law out.
     
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    Doctors would not be asked to break an oath. Emergency care would be available to all, but regular care would require documentation be presented at admission... or hit the road. The doctor would not be involved in any decision made.
     
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    What is emergency care, and what is not?

    Would appendicitis be emergency care? Sure.

    What about a tumor that will kill the patient in 3 months? Is that an emergency?
     
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    The Wizards of Washington created the problem by imposing an unfunded mandate on the states. An indigent patient shows up at the ER and he must be treated. State: you figure out how to pay for it. In the case of criminal aliens congress is doing what it should have done to begin with. Pay for its freakin' edicts. I'm glad to see it because it spotlights a major problem.

    Side observation. If we had state selection of senators this problem would never see the light of day.
     
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    [RANT]The wife has a couple of cronic things that require regular meds. WITH our insurance coverage it costs us about 6grand out of pocket last year. Now there are telling us that our premiums are going up and coverage is going down.[/RANT] :cuss: :cuss: :banghead:
     
  22. Old Fuff

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    But of course ...

    You are expected to help pay for all of those that don't pay at all.

    Isn't that what Socialism is all about ???
     
  23. Typhoon

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    Californians voted Proposition 187 into law in 1994, curbing state resources for undocumented immigrants. It was immediately challenged as unconstitutional and the courts agreed. It died on the vine...

    Whoops - bountyhunter beat me to it...
     
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    This is what kills me.Prop.187 passes and the courts
    decide its un-constitutional in what..24 hours?
    The USC can't/won't rule that the 2nd ammendment
    means what it says in what...200+ years?
    I'm really getting tired of this!

    QuickDraw
     
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    I got a better idea:

    "I suggest we designate a few states where they can live in happiness and safety and not be bothered by the terrible racist bigots and rednecks."

    How about Mexico ?




    People complain about the cost of health care. It is President Bush's fault, or it is the mean Replublican's fault, or it is the drug companies, or it is the health care industry................................
    Ever stop to think about how many OTHER people you are paying for whe you get that bill ? Maybe the answer isn't the conspiracy you think it is. Maybe. Just maybe, it isn't the evil right wingers or the evil American business that try to make an evil profit: maybe it is laws by lefties that make those of us that work and make money, pay for everybody else that doesn't.
    This stuff isn't free. Medical equipment, drugs, and staff have to be payed for by somebody.
     
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