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Uberti cattleman shoots left...?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by the Black Spot, Oct 28, 2011.

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  1. the Black Spot

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    Does this mean I need to have the barrel tightened to the frame? Thanks
     
  2. hardluk1

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    More info. How far left and at what distance . Have you tried a different load. One handed or two handed shooting or from a sand bag. Last have a buddy try your revolver just to be sure it ain't your grip and trigger pull.
     
  3. the Black Spot

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    sorry for the little info, i original typed it in with a droid.
    several handloads i tested from the bench all shot left, about 3" at 25 yards. these were 44 special loads. i guess three inches off isn't just terrible. i seriously doubt there is a gunsmith in little rock that would turn the barrel anyway.
     
  4. rcmodel

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    You can probably turn it yourself if you have a bench vice.
    Ubertie's aren't usually all that tight.

    Go it Home Depot and buy a 36" stick of 1"x2" oak.

    Saw off a couple of 6" chunks, then clamp them together and drill a hole centered in the joint with a barrel size drill bit.

    Then take off the ejector rod and clamp the barrel in the vice using the wood barrel blocks.

    Then stick the remaining 24" oak through cylinder window and see if you can torque it just a frog-hair. Don't swing off the end of the stick with all your weight and see if it will turn.

    I would not worry about warping the frame, as every one I have turned where barely hand tight.
    If you don't get crazy, it won't hurt the frame.


    rc
     
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    I may be mistaken, but if the revolver's shooting to the left of POA and you tighten the barrel (assuming a conventional RH thread) wouldn't that move your POI even more to the left? It's been my practice to drift/move a front sight in the direction towards where the bullets are hitting.
     
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    Moving the rear sight Left moves the POI Left.

    Moving the Front sight Left moves the POI Right.

    So tightening the barrel will move the POI right.

    rc
     
  7. shafter

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    Hey, I'm new here but I would strongly recommend having someone else shoot your gun first. When I shot my 45 New Vaquero for the first time I couldn't hit paper even at close range. I thought there was something major wrong with the sights. I handed it to someone else and the first two shots were dead center.

    I think it was me getting used to the trigger pull. Like you my shots were far to the left.
     
  8. 4v50 Gary

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    You might also want to check the barrel and frame alignment.

    Stretch your arms out in front of you slightly above eye level and put your hands together such that the palms are touching. Now, open your hands such that only the knife edge of the hands are touching and forms the apex of the letter "V" which is inverted. Now, place your gun muzzle forward and with the trigger guard resting near the bottom of the V. You're going to have to cup the hands slightly to hold the revolver upright. Look at frame & barrel alignment. If the barrel is off to the left, that will explain why your gun is throwing to the left. It's not a matter of tightening down the barrel (or relieving it) but of bending the frame.
     
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    Mill the right side of the sight groove on the receiver.
     
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    Have you thought about having the barrel recrowned to correct the problem. It worked for me.

    Ronin
     
  11. 4v50 Gary

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    Go with the cheapest fix first. Major work is difficult to un-do.

    Does it shoot to the left with other ammunition? If no, it's the ammo.
    Does it shoot to the left with other shooters? If no, it's the shooter.
    Is the sight canted? If so, determine if the top of the front sight is canted or the front sight in its entirety is canted. If the former, you may have to have it milled (but there is a cheaper way). If the latter, barrel needs to be rotated.
    Is the barrel aligned with the frame (which is determined by the simple test I described).
     
  12. Z71

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    Stiff trigger pull and lax trigger discipline will tend to put shots to the left too.
     
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    Let some other folks shoot it and see what happens. I bought a handgun and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from inside with the doors and windows shut. Can't remember what gun it was, anyway my 14 at the time son shot it and embaressed me terribly!

    It may be the gun but i'd get a second opinion before I started messing with it.
     
  14. SAA

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    I might let some other bloke shoot my gun to see what he can do with it, but the bottom line is that I will "mess" with my gun to get it to shoot where I aim since I will be the one shooting it, not Bob, Jonny, Matt or Sally.

    Decide beforehand what range and position you expect to most use the gun. You can shoot off a bench at 25 yards to determine the most precise ammunition for your gun, but it makes no sense to make sight adjustments shooting off a bench at 25 yards if you expect to do most of your shooting one-handed at 25 yards or off a rest at 50.

    Don't bother to tailor a load to shoot to point of aim either. Find the most precise or powerful load -whatever you're looking for out of your ammunition- and make the gun shoot to the load, not the other way around.
     
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    In my case I learned it was me and not the gun, then instead of tinkering to fix a mechanical problem I figured out what I was doing. I have had guns that just didn't shoot straight for anyone.....thats the time for tinkering.

    Of course to each his own:)
     
  16. Krogen

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    Try shooting it weak-handed. I wrestle with single action guns. My SAA shot high and left for me. In a "moment of clarity" I thought to try it weak-handed and it shot high and right. I figured out it was my grip and trigger technique, not the gun. That durned offset trigger doesn't help, but I'll still take most of blame for myself.
     
  17. SAA

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    Exactly. A gun that shoots perfectly windage wise off a rest will almost always shoot away from the palm of the hand when shooting offhand. There's only so much one can do to minimize this effect. Not everyone who shoots your gun will have the same point of impact. That's why with a fixed sighted gun you have to make the gun shoot to your ammunition and habits, but only after you are sure everything you do is absolutely consistent ("consistent" being the number one key word).
     
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