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Uberti Paterson

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by walterelm, Jan 5, 2017.

  1. walterelm

    walterelm Member

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    When on an Uberti Paterson the pistons are worn out .. do you really need replacement pistons from Uberti or do others fit as well?
    Thx
     
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    Pistons?

    The only thing that I can think of that would be replaceable and in multiples would be nipples. Is that what you are thinking? If so, I am guessing that there are after market ones that will work. Should be standard 12-28.
     
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  3. rodwha

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    I'm also assuming he means nipples/cones. A great place to look is Track of The Wolf.
     
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    Just looking at walterelm's post, he may be from a foreign country (Europe?) and relying on a translator like Google.

    I have experienced the same thing on a French site and the translations are not quite correct, but I muddle through it as I don't speak French.

    If you wish to venture, some of the posters and most of the mods are very fluent in "American" English, as they term it.

    It is a very friendly site, and you may find a different take on their view of the BP world, mostly C&B revolvers from a European view from across the pond. They have many threads and if you go there you will find a lot of different perspectives. I love all of their usernames.

    If you register, visit Le Bar (The Bar) first to introduce yourself, and tell them that sourdough sent you there. Ringo was my original contact there but on a US forum originally. Ringo is a mod and very fluent in English. As I post there in English, he has graciously transcribed/interpreted my posts in French for their members. The guy is a gem.

    They rate you on "hits" and "kills", and as I have only been registered for a few weeks, it appears that "hits" are likes and "kills" are dead on.

    LOL. I have so much to learn there, and I am not making a joke. It is a different world there as opposed to the U.S. forums. Do yourself a favor and explore something new.

    I use the Google translator tool to converse there. Some folks think that "Reverser" is better, but I cope with Google.

    http://repliquesoldwest.superforum.fr/forum and explore.

    Have fun!

    Jim
     
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  5. walterelm

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    Sorry .. nipples/cones instead of piston

    The colt paterson nipples require a different wrench than all other nipples ... has anyone replaced the iriginal cones by standard nipples .. and .. does it work?
     
  6. Cooldill

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    Uberti doesn't make a Paterson.
     
  7. walterelm

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    I believe that only the shoulders of the nipples are different, not the threads.



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    If you have wrenches which will fit both shoulders, you should be able to substitute newer style nipples for the Paterson style. I have not tried it, however.
     
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  9. Crawdad1

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    Technological improvement throughout history is hardly an indictment of prior efforts of genius.
    The 51 Navy Colt is slow to load and unreliable to fire, when compared to an 1873 SAA; an 1860 Army .44 cap and ball is markedly inferior to a Colt Python .357 magnum.
    So what.
    The Uberti Colt Texas Paterson was a reasonably faithful replica of the first successful repeating handgun. It cost a lot to make, just like the original.
    They stopped making both.
    Those of us who have either are damned lucky, IMO. YMMV.

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  12. Noz

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    Again, butt kicking time. I was offered he Uberti version 5 years or so ago for around $100. I passed.
     
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  13. Crawdad1

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    Not only that but the significant part it played settling the frontier. Not to exclude other revolvers and their part, for example Pony Express riders forgoing a rifle to carry the '51 Colt, but the Paterson appeared at the exact time it was needed the most. Captain Jack Hays sure loved them.

    "While paused at Walker’s Creek on June 8, 1844 one of Hays’ Rangers climbing a tree after some honey, suddenly shouted, “Captain! Yonder comes a thousand Indians.” The number was closer to 80 and Captain Jack formed a plan instantly, realizing that the Comanche were charging to trigger a volley. The Comanche expected the Texans to be armed with their single shot weapons so the Comanche planned to charge through that volley then overwhelm and kill every Texan before they could reload after the volley.

    Captain Hays was always calm and deadly in combat and through selection, training and example he had molded the 15 Rangers in his troop into his own image. Hays mounted them in formation and gave them their orders. “We’re going to charge them.”

    Hays explained that the Rangers were not to fire until they were among the Comanche. During the advance he shouted, “Crowd them! Powder-burn them boys!”

    The disciplined Rangers charged into the surprised Comanche, and opened a deadly fire. One of the Comanche survivors later said each Ranger, “Had a shot for every finger on the hand.” Historians surmise the Rangers had practiced to quickly exchange unloaded cylinders with pre-loaded extra cylinders while on horseback.
    (That may be debatable) As the shocked Comanche turned to flee the Rangers pursued them and continued to thin the Comanche ranks.

    In desperation Chief Yellow Wolf tried to rally his band for a counter-attack, but Hays’ keen eye spotted the leader and shouted, “Any man with a load left, Kill that Chief!”

    Instantly, Ranger Robert Gillespie road forward, took aim, fired and Yellow Wolf fell from his pony with a gunshot wound to the head. In spite of being outnumbered four to one the Rangers decimated these skilled warriors. The Colt revolver
    (Paterson) became “The Great Equalizer.”"

    Here,
    https://www.policeone.com/police-he...y-The-story-of-John-Coffee-Hays-Texas-Ranger/
     
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    I can understand completely why Uberti discontinued the Paterson. They cost a lot to make, and then the company was flooded with complaints from dissatisfied buyers. Making them was a thankless task.

    The problem is that buyers were thinking in terms of a practical shooting gun. It's not, today, and it was marginally practical even in its heyday. Its main selling point then was that it was better than a single-shot flintlock pistol, which was the army standard in 1836 (the army never did adopt the Paterson). The first revolver that was officially adopted was the Walker, and even that wasn't too practical due to its large size. Colt's breakthrough came with the 1851 Navy.

    So the Paterson belongs in a specific historical niche, from the late 1830's through the 1840's. It's a fish out of water in any other time period. If I had one -- and I'd like to have one -- I wouldn't even try to fire it. That would be an exercise in frustration.

    ETA: Sam Colt was a salesman more than he was an inventor. Testimonials were an important part of his sales promotion work. Therefore, I would take stories like those of Jack Hays' use of the Paterson on the frontier with a grain of salt. (Changing a Paterson cylinder on horseback, in the midst of battle? Give me a break.) You have to ask -- how much did Colt pay for these testimonials?
     
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  15. Blackpowdershooter44

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    Pietta makes them now, and although they aren't a great design, I would love to have one since it was the first successful Colt cap and ball revolver.
     
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    I would like to have one too, but let's be clear -- the Paterson was an unsuccessful design, and Colt's company went bankrupt making them. These facts contribute to the rarity of original Patersons today. If the Patersons had been successful, they wouldn't be nearly as valuable.
     
  17. walterelm

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    @Berkley thx, thats was the kind of information I was looking for ... your pic of the paterson cylinder shows a different type of cones compared to the cones I have ...

    About 3 years ago I read on THR the complaints of an US american customer on behalf of his uberti paterson. He cried about the flaws of the design and demanded that Uberti fixes the problems he encountered. He claimed that such a poor design should never have been accepted on the american market. Others tried to explain to him that his paterson is a REPLICA and not a modern gun design, but in vain.

    The only other cap n ball revolver i do own is an uberti Walker. Loaded with 53 grain of explosia (vesuvit) bp, this gun offers allways an impresive show off at the gun range. Actually i wanted something more easy to shoot, maybe a 51 navy. But when i saw an uberti paterson and heard that this was state of the art in 18xx, heard the story of the texas rangers using the paterson and how they switched to the walker, and got the information that nobody shoots a paterson because its a pita to reassemble and to load, ... i just knew thts the gun to buy.
     
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    There's plenty of those testimonials from original sources, the one above is NOT an original source, regarding the effectiveness of the Paterson Colt fighting the Plains Indians. You can't discount an original source as propaganda.
     
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    Great post Crawdad. I enjoy this historical data. It is far more interesting than the "B" Movie" Cowboy stories. :thumbdown:
     
  21. Crawdad1

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    Thanks Dog Soldier!! That's why I love the Colts there is so much in history about them. :)
     
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  22. Cowhide Cliff

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    They used to, they are the best ones if you can find them.
     
  23. Cowhide Cliff

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    Yeah you need to kick yourself for that. :(
     
  24. eastbank

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    i have a cylinder for a paterson repo with the cones, that i got in a few boxes of black powder parts, looks brand new. serial number 9785. eastbank.
     

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