Uberti Remington Navy
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The originals had a slightly smaller frame and cylinder with a shorter barrel than the .44 (at least the Italians got the barrel right.) Yes they were lighter, smaller and more elegant. This was an age when better quality steel was just introduced to the market enabling more powerful handguns to be made smaller, a time when pocket pistols were the best sellers.
It is doubtful that most people in those days would choose a lower caliber ( .36 vs .44 ) for a fighting revolver that would weigh a little more (yes the Italian .36 cal weighs a little more than the .44) due to smaller bores on the same .44 caliber stock and having the exact same sized frame. The .44 would probably have been picked if that were case but they did not share the same frame and cylinder size.
The original .36 was a little smaller "medium sized frame" (Walkers are not large frame they are Huge horse pistols) had less weight and a shorter barrel thus making it more concealable if necessary and overall easier to carry around. I would not be surprised if it had better balance and feel. The .36 caliber (about equivalent to a .380 acp in ballistics) was also considered to be a sufficient military (fighting) pistol caliber. While not up to todays standards it was no parlor gun either.
At one time the Italians did make a .36 cal 1858 Remington replica of the same size as the originals but that was a long while ago and I don't know of anyone that does now.
I can appreciate the elegance and feel of a proper sized .36 replica perhaps even more so if I handled one but I still like a beefed up version too.
It is doubtful that most people in those days would choose a lower caliber ( .36 vs .44 ) for a fighting revolver that would weigh a little more (yes the Italian .36 cal weighs a little more than the .44) due to smaller bores on the same .44 caliber stock and having the exact same sized frame. The .44 would probably have been picked if that were case but they did not share the same frame and cylinder size.
The original .36 was a little smaller "medium sized frame" (Walkers are not large frame they are Huge horse pistols) had less weight and a shorter barrel thus making it more concealable if necessary and overall easier to carry around. I would not be surprised if it had better balance and feel. The .36 caliber (about equivalent to a .380 acp in ballistics) was also considered to be a sufficient military (fighting) pistol caliber. While not up to todays standards it was no parlor gun either.
At one time the Italians did make a .36 cal 1858 Remington replica of the same size as the originals but that was a long while ago and I don't know of anyone that does now.
I can appreciate the elegance and feel of a proper sized .36 replica perhaps even more so if I handled one but I still like a beefed up version too.
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No seems like same dimensions as the 44 cal Army.
Yes 7.5 inch barrel. Seems like it is lighter however ... from memories.
Took it to parade rest ... completely apart ... to clean shipping oil and inspect insides for metal chips and rough machining. Very smooth and clean inside. No rough machining to smooth up. Timing is just perfect. No sharp edges except for the trigger guard cut where the trigger comes through ... little filing broke this razor sharp edge.
All in all, I really like this revolver. Can not wait to get it out and run some powder through it. I have three projectiles to try ... round ball's, Lee conical's, and some pointed army style bullets from Mark Hubbs "era's Gone" mold.
Also have 3F , 2F and 1.5F OE powder and 2F and 3F regular GOEX powder to try.
Have cci 11's and 10's and will look for Remmy 10's for cap's
My intended beginning charge will be 15 grains and enough cornmeal to bring the seared bullet up to the mouth of the cylinder. I intend on building up to a full cylinder of powder. Going to try my paper cartridges as well.
I do not believe enough black powder can be loaded in the cylinder to harm this steel framed Uberti revolver. Brass frames maybe over a prolonged period but not this steel framed dandy.
Yes 7.5 inch barrel. Seems like it is lighter however ... from memories.
Took it to parade rest ... completely apart ... to clean shipping oil and inspect insides for metal chips and rough machining. Very smooth and clean inside. No rough machining to smooth up. Timing is just perfect. No sharp edges except for the trigger guard cut where the trigger comes through ... little filing broke this razor sharp edge.
All in all, I really like this revolver. Can not wait to get it out and run some powder through it. I have three projectiles to try ... round ball's, Lee conical's, and some pointed army style bullets from Mark Hubbs "era's Gone" mold.
Also have 3F , 2F and 1.5F OE powder and 2F and 3F regular GOEX powder to try.
Have cci 11's and 10's and will look for Remmy 10's for cap's
My intended beginning charge will be 15 grains and enough cornmeal to bring the seared bullet up to the mouth of the cylinder. I intend on building up to a full cylinder of powder. Going to try my paper cartridges as well.
I do not believe enough black powder can be loaded in the cylinder to harm this steel framed Uberti revolver. Brass frames maybe over a prolonged period but not this steel framed dandy.
No, that’s what makes it needlessly heavy and bulky. It is laughable to think a smaller frame or cylinder diameter would make it any less tough. We are talking low pressure black powder here. Uberti (or Pietta) would have the perfect field revolver if they made these on the correctly scaled frame.
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I agree with the smaller framed gun would be better.
I have a 1862 Police Colt model and it is the same size as the 31 cal pocket model of Colts. 36 cal does just fine in my '62' and I know the navy Remington would be just as robust and tough in a smaller version. I for one would jump on one in a heartbeat.
This 2019 model is a prize tho and can not wait to get the time to romance it with a bit of powder n lead
I have a 1862 Police Colt model and it is the same size as the 31 cal pocket model of Colts. 36 cal does just fine in my '62' and I know the navy Remington would be just as robust and tough in a smaller version. I for one would jump on one in a heartbeat.
This 2019 model is a prize tho and can not wait to get the time to romance it with a bit of powder n lead
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Considering the size of my hands I'll keep the larger frame.
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Mr.bigted...is it the .36 pietta with the 6.5 inch long barrel?
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Also i wonder if one was to get a conversion cylinder and relined the barrel to .357 ...if the original cap n ball cylinder can be relined or plugged and redrilled to a .360 chamber diameter...that way you can choose between using ur conversion cylinder with .357/38 bullets and a regular cap n ball cylinder...although custom .365 round balls or so would have to be used. I wouldnt mind having that type of set up if i had to use a conversion cylinder.
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The barrel length is 7.5 inch as the original. It is Uberti's navy 36 cal. Purchased from Buffalo Arms, Idaho.
My navy Colt has a 38 conversion and I load the 38 special cases with trail boss and the hollow base full wadcutters. Trick with these is loading slow loads ... around 6 or 7 hundred FPS seems to be as accurate as I can hold. Faster seems to blow the skirt of the hollow base bullet upon exiting the barrel.
So figure this would be no different. I will eventually purchase a 38 conversion cylinder.
Gotta go shoot it as is first though. The more I handle it, the more I like it and think it has a bit different grip angle or something.
My navy Colt has a 38 conversion and I load the 38 special cases with trail boss and the hollow base full wadcutters. Trick with these is loading slow loads ... around 6 or 7 hundred FPS seems to be as accurate as I can hold. Faster seems to blow the skirt of the hollow base bullet upon exiting the barrel.
So figure this would be no different. I will eventually purchase a 38 conversion cylinder.
Gotta go shoot it as is first though. The more I handle it, the more I like it and think it has a bit different grip angle or something.
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There she is. Figured out the attachment process ... not as complicated as I imagined.
Anyway she is a nice clean tight revolver well put together. Hope she shoots as good as she looks.
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My Pietta Remington NMN has a 6 1/2" barrel and I like that it's not quite as muzzle heavy as a comparable NMA.
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Got her to the range today.
Round ball paper cartridge's dunked in bee wax/Vasoline mix with 22 grains 2F OE powder rolled in zig zag cig papers and sparked up with CCI #11 caps. At ten yards, out of a clean wiped barrel, I got 1 inch groups at 10 yards.
Next were the Era's gone pointed rebated bullets wrapped in the same zig zag paper with 18 grains OE 2F powder dunked in same lube and capped the same, equaled 3 inch groups at the same 10 yards.
Both sets of groups were fired over a solid rest and me seated. ERA'S GONE bullets have never grouped for me in any revolver ... my ,61's , 51's and the second gen ,62. Conversely ... my round ball loads have always shot well with 21 or 22 grains 2 or 3F powder ... either over ball lube or paper cartridges lubed by dunking over the ball and down the paper about 1/8th inch past the ball.
Glad to report on this fine Uberti Remmy navy with 7.5 inch barrel. Shoots very well and we got along really nicely.
I even loaded 30 grains lose 3F OE powder under a .380 ball (the max this cylinder would take and seat a ball). Accuracy could be called patterns. Probably 5 or 6 inch at the same 10 yards. But ... you know you light em up compared to the 22 grain loads ... altho still light recoil.
I am very happy with the revolver. It is a keeper.
Round ball paper cartridge's dunked in bee wax/Vasoline mix with 22 grains 2F OE powder rolled in zig zag cig papers and sparked up with CCI #11 caps. At ten yards, out of a clean wiped barrel, I got 1 inch groups at 10 yards.
Next were the Era's gone pointed rebated bullets wrapped in the same zig zag paper with 18 grains OE 2F powder dunked in same lube and capped the same, equaled 3 inch groups at the same 10 yards.
Both sets of groups were fired over a solid rest and me seated. ERA'S GONE bullets have never grouped for me in any revolver ... my ,61's , 51's and the second gen ,62. Conversely ... my round ball loads have always shot well with 21 or 22 grains 2 or 3F powder ... either over ball lube or paper cartridges lubed by dunking over the ball and down the paper about 1/8th inch past the ball.
Glad to report on this fine Uberti Remmy navy with 7.5 inch barrel. Shoots very well and we got along really nicely.
I even loaded 30 grains lose 3F OE powder under a .380 ball (the max this cylinder would take and seat a ball). Accuracy could be called patterns. Probably 5 or 6 inch at the same 10 yards. But ... you know you light em up compared to the 22 grain loads ... altho still light recoil.
I am very happy with the revolver. It is a keeper.
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Great report Bigted. I spent this summer dabbling with rolled cartridges in .44 using the EG conical. I have to say in my Uberti '60 Army they group pretty decently for me over 25 grains Goex 3F. At 25 yards I had 5 into a cluster of about 2-1/2" and the 6th bullet opened up the group another 2 inches. They shoot a good foot high at 25 yards is the only thing I have to get used to though, way higher than RB's.
Once we get through winter I'll be back out with it. My rolled cartridges were with cigarette papers and another test with nitrated coffee filter paper. Everything burns up but the little cap used to close the end. 50% of the time it stayed in the chamber. I have a new "hybrid" roll that uses the nitrated coffee filter paper but a cigarette paper cap, and the cap is on the inside of the roll instead of being glued to the outside. I haven't tested that design but will once spring rolls around. Thanks again for the good write up.
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