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UFOs stole Iraq's WMDs

Discussion in 'Legal' started by telomerase, Oct 4, 2003.

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  1. telomerase

    telomerase Member

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    Right? Or at some point are we going to use Occam's razor and admit that Bush was lying?
     
  2. JohnBT

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    Probably buried somewhere or shipped out of the country. Either answer makes more sense than either of yours (speaking of Occam's Razor.)

    John
     
  3. TheOtherOne

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    We should of left Saddam in power, let him torture his people as he pleases. It really isn't our business. It only becomes our business if he does something really bad to us like nuke Los Angeles, or spread a few thousand pounds of anthrax over New York. Then we might have to get involved in foreign matters. If he attacked American soil, we could maybe justify sending a couple of cruise missles over there to try and hit his presidential palace (assuming we could safely know that all women, children and civilians were not within a 15 mile radius).
     
  4. El Tejon

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    How long did it take to find the Rose Law Firm billing records???:confused:

    Even if we do not, so what? Kindly Uncle Saddam was on probation had the burden to come forward and account. He chose to play probation violation games and treat us like Look-the-other-way Billy Boy was still in office.
     
  5. GSB

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    I wish I had those psychic powers of yours, to mind read the man and know that he was lying as opposed to believing in possibly bad intelligence or the vicitim of some wishful thinking on his part. My guess is that it was mainly a combination of the last two and a desire to finish his father's fight and make some sort of object lesson of Hussein, although not having your psychic abilities, I don't know.

    Maybe I need to go over to DemocraticUnderground.com and ask for their secret ninja ability to detect the evil motivations of Republicans.
     
  6. dustind

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    Didnt we just recently find fully intact airplanes under the airports in Britan somewhere? If WoMD where hidden they would be impossible to find. So ask yourself, is it possible Saddam wanted them hidden?

    This is coming from someone who supported the war due to the horrible things Saddam has done. This is also comming from someone who will not vote for Bush again due to expanded federal powers.
     
  7. Keith

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    Silly reasoning - or lack of reasoning.

    They HAVE found various prohibited WMD items. None of them appear to have been in use, but they are still prohibited by the terms of the cease-fire and 17 UN resolutions.
    They have also found scads of other prohibited weapons from Russian and France.
    They have found missiles IN PRODUCTION with a range of 1000 kilometers. They have found a purchase agreement with North Korea to buy even larger missiles.

    All of these things (and ther are thousands of them) are violations and any ONE of them makes war justifiable.

    The worst that can be said is that AT THIS TIME, it appears that Saddam was several years away from getting back into full swing. And that our intelligence (and the Brits, the Germans, the French, the Israeli's) were wrong about the status of the WMD program.

    I'm sure the average liberal would prefer to wait until these weapons were finished and poised on the launch pads before invading. But not me, I think we should take out maniacs with armies before they get strong.

    Keith
     
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    U.S. Fears Saddam Has Special 'Invisible' Weapons


    President Bush today announced that secret Iraqi intelligence documents found by troops in Baghdad show that Saddam Hussein may have successfully produced special, invisible weapons of mass destruction while he was in power and that he or his terrorist associates may still have access to them.

    Speaking to reporters at the White House, the president said the weapons put America in an unprecedented level of danger: "This is a serious threat. Weapons that are invisible are very, very hard to find. Heck, we can't even see 'em," he explained.

    The secret documents apparently show that the Iraqi army was developing
    invisible anthrax and invisible VX, both of which may have been passed on to terrorist groups such as al-Quaeda.

    Secretary of State Colin Powell said: "This is even worse than we first thought. It just proves how right we were to invade Iraq."

    Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge immediately responded by raising the national threat advisory level to red.

    "We must be extra vigilant," said Secretary Ridge. "Anyone who sees what
    they suspect to be an invisible chemical or biological weapon should report it to the authorities right away."

    President Bush is now expected to ask Congress for a new package of funding to deal with invisible weapons.

    Hopes are high that Halliburton, a company which coincidentally has links to Vice President Dick Cheney, may have developed a new 'invisible weapons detector' that could be used to combat the new threat. Each unit is believed to cost around 10 million dollars and early tests have been promising.

    Dick Cheney was unavailable for comment.


    (c) urbanreflex.com 2003


    http://www.urbanreflex.com/may23_03/wmd.html
     
  9. BenW

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    Well, if UFO = Unidentified French Operative, I think they messed up and left a few behind. :p
     
  10. telomerase

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    U.S. Fears Saddam Has Special 'Invisible' Weapons

    Not to worry. Those invisible weapons will be deflected by the invisible new clothes that Imperator Bush will be wearing at the coronation.
     
  11. pittspilot

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    Tell you what telomerase.

    I am assuming that you are making your argument based on media reports of Davis Kay's interim report to the Congress. Thus, you are asserting, based on the media reports that Kay's report asserts that there are no WMD's in Iraq.

    In the future it may be useful to read the actual report rather then believe media characterization. That way, you do not come off looking foolish.

    Now go and read the whole thing, and then attempt to argue that Kay is saying that there are no WMD's

    If you are stating from another source that there are no WMD's, I would like to hear of it.
     
  12. fallingblock

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    Aw, pittspilot......

    Liberals enjoy looking foolish:D


    "In the future it may be useful to read the actual report rather then believe media characterization. That way, you do not come off looking foolish.

    Now go and read the whole thing, and then attempt to argue that Kay is saying that there are no WMD's"


    And often they neglect to actually read reports, preferring the bias of the media to any factual reference.:(
     
  13. gunsmith

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    time takes time!

    go ahead and find anything in an Iraqi sandstorm.
    You can hide pyramids in Iraq and no one would find them for years.
    People have been hiding things there for thousands of years!
    like a previous poster said they uncovered a bunch of airplanes.
    Do you believe everything the "old grey lady" tells you?
    they said the CA recall election wouldn't happen...you wanna buy a bridge?
     
  14. Bainx

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    WMD= dog ate 'um:cool:
     
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    The impression I get is that they found some infrastructure and evidence of limited research, but no actual weapons. They still have to test all those arty shells they found in the desert. But it looks as if there wasn't any imminent threat.
     
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    Right, just like it only becomes your business after some scumbag rapes/beats/kills your wife/daughter/self/etc.

    :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    Stinger
     
  18. Atticus

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    Was Bush lying...or was Saddam such a good liar that he bluffed his way into oblivion? The latter seems to be the case in my opinion. Doesn't really matter now anyway.
     
  19. lapidator

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    Anti-Bush radicals ignore everything thats not convenient...

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110004113


    So I guess BT is not a WMD?

    ...

    The angy-Left just doesn't care.

    lapidator
     
  20. Tamara

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    I'm not angry, nor Left, nor particularly sad to see the guy with the goofy hat collection gone.

    I was, however told that they had all kinds of nasty weapons ready to go on 45 minutes' notice. Now it seems that they had some programs that could have maybe whipped something up on 45 weeks' notice.

    I don't mind being fibbed to a little, but it irks me to be lied to like I was a government-appointed investigator or something. ;)
     
  21. TheOtherOne

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    I meant the sarcasm to be evident, if it wasn't.
     
  22. telomerase

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    That's where I am too. If the President can attack any nation he wants by making wild, unsubstantiated claims, then we don't have any checks and balances at all. And there's nothing to stop him from lying again.
     
  23. pittspilot

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    Please produce a single instance of the Bush Administration declaring that Iraq is an imminent threat.

    I think you will find that the Administration argued that we should deal with Saddam before he became an imminent threat.

    Please produce proof that the President was making "wild, unsubstantiated claims." Before the war, all I heard was that the Administration had not made thier case due to lack of evidence. Now this evidence is "wild, unsubstantiated claims"

    Not only that, apparently everyone else was making "wild, unsubstantiated claims as well.

    For Instance

    Source

    I think this shows that if there were a mistake made on the proof of Bush's claim, then we all were guilty. Democrats, Republicans, as well as many of the worlds intelligence services, and the UN.

    This is not the same as unsubstantiated, wild claims.
     
  24. Norm357

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    Right? Or at some point are we going to use Occam's razor and admit that Bush was lying?





    You do know that GW's statement was based on flawed British intelligience right?
     
  25. lapidator

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    Preface to my arguements to follow: I disbelieve that Bush is making war for political purposes. I choose to believe that the Bush administration is making war only where they feel the need. Based on my perception of reality.

    First, it is permissible that the '45minute' concern may have been based on faulty intel. In this case, I for one sure am glad to have a president who would act if evidence shows the need for action, and that such evidence is truly believed to be authentic. Keep in mind that the Brits are still standing firm with that assessment.

    Second, if the intel was 'in the ball park', nothing that has been found so far would disprove that the Iraqis had a capability to deploy WMDs in 45 minutes. The lack of evidence at this time -- just months after the fall of the dictatorship -- is hardly damning of the war on Iraq. Further, the mere evidence that has been found already shows that the Iraqis were in posession of Biological Toxins (BTs) capable of being used by suicidal attacks -- even though only small ammounts have been found. This is definitly not 'residue material' from pre-1990 activity.

    Third, perhaps you'd have been satisfied with Bush if indeed he had waited another 45 weeks?

    Fourth, We are doing a job in Iraq that has been desperatly needed for years. Yeah, it sucks that it had to be us -- but that's a fact, Jack. OPECs recent vote to reduce oil production is blinding proof that Iraq is on the bleeding edge of becoming a real country again. OPEC is very concerned that the Iraqis will flood the market with 'cheap' oil and kill their short term porfits -- hence they are decreasing supply to prop up prices. The bottom line is that Iraq is comming along nicely.

    Sure there are problems. But things are going pretty well considering the task that was issued.

    lapidator

    ps... thanks for the link pittspilot!
     
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