Ugly .38 wadcutters from Missouri/Midway

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  1. Mark_Mark
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    I thought my coated loads were ugly! Thanks for that!
     
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    MBC and Midway both have 800 numbers. If it were me, I'd call and talk to them and complain. I know both companies would be interested in your comments and your pictures. Contact early or late in the day for faster service.
     
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    When I first didn’t read the OP’s post completely (I know, Walkalong bad), the pictures looked like soft swaged lead bullets, which are often ugly but shoot great.

    Those are pretty bad for cast/coated bullets from a big name maker.
     
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    They spue wasn't flush and fit when the bullets were cast. The ugly flange is excess molten lead that formed when cast. If the bullets are all close in weight you probably won't notice much change in accuracy. Load ugly side towards target.
     
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  6. Jim Watson

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    I thought of that but all the sprue plates on a machine caster?
     
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    Here are mine. A couple have some flash but not like yours. The box says ppc #1 and is dated August 18 2021. 20220418_212954-min.jpg 20220418_204757-min.jpg
     
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    I load these bullets (PPC #2) lubed not coated, but same bullet. They are definitely not a true DEWC. I load them with the taper into the case, not for any particular reason other than that the loads look better that way.

    I looked at a handful of the ones I had on the bench and they don't look as bad as the ones you got IMO. There is flashing, but the bases are more or less consistent and reasonably square.

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    It says Missouri on the order and it says Missouri PPC #2 on the box, so unless some fraudster tricked MidwayUSA into selling counterfeit bullets, I'd say they're MBC.
     
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    One of the dirty little secrets of the bullet world is that the bevel base is there for the benefit of the caster, not the loader. They fall out of the mold more reliably that way. The sharp corner of a plain base tends to hang up more often and not drop free.

    After loading jacketed, plain based lead or gas-checked pistol bullets for a while, the first time I got any bevel-based, I was surprised at how they were harder to get to sit straight on the flare. They tend to roll around in there, while the corner of a plain-base grabs a bit and stays put.

    Says near the bottom here that you can drive a plain-base faster than a BB, too. I have no opinion about that, myself.
    http://www.lasc.us/Fryxell_Book_Chapter_11_Wadcutter.htm
     
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    Those do look better. I still maintain that those are not a true double-ender. Not quite a button-nose, but they aren't symmetrical, either. Seems like a dubious design, to me!
     
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    Exactly. Bevel bases and hard alloys both can be used successfully, but in nearly all cases, they make it tougher than it has to be - and when the manufacturer extolls them as virtues, it makes me want to go look for a different manufacturer.
     
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  13. Jim Watson

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    Brazos bullets has a button nose wadcutter like original H&G or Lyman.
    I have not seen a bulk coated bullet like the real double ended Lyman 35863 "spool."
     
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    I wonder if the .356 sized can be loaded in 9 mm? I'd be worried about setback during cycling. And, of course, 147 grain 9 mm data wouldn't be for the same COAL...
     
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    Most cast, coated, and plated 9mm bullets are about .356".
    Loading a wadcutter in 9mm would run into a balance between powder space and chamber throat fit.
    Only then could you think about getting it to feed.

    I once had some delightful 140 gr SWCs from the old Bull X casters.
     
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    Yeah, the Bullseye guys run SWCs in .45 all day, but finding good SWCs at .356" isn't so easy.

    I don't know that I'm willing to buy a whole box of these just to find out if they pass the plunk test in my 9 mm!
     
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    MBC has used a couple of different colors of Hi-Tek coating over the years that they've been selling it. Hi-Tek comes in Black, Gold, Green, and Red that I have seen and used. For the past 2 years every order that MBC has filled for me has been Black, I suspect it was easier to keep up with a single color during this period of high demand and shortages.
     
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