tuckerdog1
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Soon, everything short of harsh language will be illegal. And everything will be swell. Just wait & see
Tuckerdog1
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UK: 14,000 knife victims a year
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La Pistoletta
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It's already illegal to criticize certain religions here.
Frankly I think many Americans aren't aware of just how unique their 1st Amendment really is. Or 2nd, for that matter.
Frankly I think many Americans aren't aware of just how unique their 1st Amendment really is. Or 2nd, for that matter.
Irwin
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How is forcing people to belive in something they dont belive in going to help us? Whats that wrong with public drunkenness? Ive been out tonnes of times since I turned 18 and never seen a fight or got in one (cept if you count me giving me mate a right hook) Prisons are currently over crowded, what needs done is getting rid of the human rights act as most of the time it is used against the prisons if we built a few more prisons and actually handed out hefter sentences and made prison hard, insstead of earning money and having tv's and ps3's. The state of Britain aint that bad I live in scotland were supposed knife crime is very high ive never been threatened with a knife or heard of anyone who has, just seems like more scaremongering. As for Mothers Against Murder And Aggression group who can actually take there thoughts seriously ok you lost some one due to a knife but get over your self you are no more special than me or my mates in terms of the peccing order. Any one who has been put off coming over here due to this Id serriously suggest you rethink unless you are prone to get really drunk at pubs and start threating folk I think you will be fine, when I went to america everyone was telling me id get shot but geuss what im here infact the only time I seen guns was when my cousin showed me his hunting guns and when the police officer had it on his hip. Alot of you talk about sheep and point the finger at us maybe you should have a look behind the finger? Irwin
LightningJoe
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There's no forcing anyone to believe in anything. If only it were that simple. But the "believers" over there will be running the place before this century's out. They just won't be Christian believers.
Religious people (of one sort or another) will always supplant atheists. The autocthonous inhabitants of Europe will emigrate, convert, or fade away. The twenty-first (or at most twenty-second) century wil be the last for European aborigines in several countries: England, France, Italy, Spain, perhaps a few others.
Calibre44
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Well, as usual, that’s exactly what you’ve got – nothing new in any of the posts. We’ve pretty much had most of the usual rhetoric except saving our asses in the war.
The simple answer to knife crime over here isn’t to ban anything but to remove the criminals from the streets. This means building more prisons but the Gov won’t do that because then it would have to admit that it’s idiotic policies don’t work.
Kitchen knifes are not banned nor are steel toe capped boots or screwdrivers. You can carry a knife so long as its blade is not over 3 inches long and not able to lock. This of course makes it more dangerous to the user but then the law is an ass. You can’t carry it for the purpose self defence of course which is where you folks in the States have the advantage.
I live 3 miles from the centre of a large city, which has had deaths in the past from knives and guns, but they are all committed in mostly the same area and usually by the same group of people.
Knife crime is not, repeat not, wide spread across Britain. I have lived here for 50 years and have never seen a knife used in a crime or seen a gun other than at a range or on someone’s premises. I don’t know anyone who has been threatened by a knife or a gun.
Believe it or not but I go about my daily business without any fear for my life. If you want to believe that I have been brainwashed then believe what you want. I can assure you I have not. Cameras are only in our major cities not where the majority of us live. They don’t bother me in the slightest when I am in cities because I’m not a criminal.
Not visiting this country because of media hype is ludicrous. This is a country rich in history and historical buildings and artefacts and has wide diversity of beautiful countryside including mountains and lakes.
If want to have a meaningful debate about Britain why don’t you consider this: I live in Bristol which some argue is the birthplace of America due to John Cabot who, over 500 years ago set sail for Asia aboard the Matthew. He actually arrived on the coast of Newfoundland and therefore was the original discoverer of America, not Christopher Columbus!
Here’s a link in case you’d like to view a working ocean going replica of his ship the Mathew.
TallPine
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My impression is that most of the violence in Scotland takes place in and around Glasgow, nach eil?.
IOW, pretty much the same situation as the USA where the vast majority of violence is in the big cities.
*stands up* Hi my name is trueg50, and I recently added to the US equivalent of that number by slipping off the wood I was carving, and cut my self. I am a victim of my self, here's my knife.
I don't know if they consider that an accidental discharge, or what, but they really need to ban knives, they are really sharp.
I don't know if they consider that an accidental discharge, or what, but they really need to ban knives, they are really sharp.
Calibre - I don't doubt you for a second; I'm sure the threat of knife crime in the UK is as over-hyped as gun crime in the US. No matter how much the media spins it, the violent crime rates aren't as astronomically high as they'd like us to believe. I personally hope to go sightseeing in the UK sometime in the next year or two, government policies and the media barrage aside.
sacp81170a
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Too bad. The problem of recovering what's been lost is a very sticky one indeed, and not easily solvable on an internet forum. I guess without a Constitution with an enumerated right to keep and bear arms you're pretty much screwed(as we almost were in the all too close Heller decision). Short of revolt your options appear to be pretty slim. I understand that violent crime is in fact a rarity in most of the UK, but that doesn't help the people in the areas where it's most prevalent. I guess that's why my ancestors emigrated.
The Tourist
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La Pistoletta said:
Boy you hit the nail there!
I've already told one mod that I do not want any punishment or ban for any member who flames me on pesonal issues. One, I'm a big boy, two, that's how I met the guy who became my best man, and three, in the end we don't learn a whole lot from our fan clubs.
So here's my criticism. I would not like to live in a similar fashion as your average Londonite. Simply, more and more I'm noticing those "little gray smoked globes" which are actually surveillance cameras. I just saw two of them aimed at the cafe section of Borders where I have my latte' and read Blade Magazine.
Having said that, some people like it. A few months ago they installed cameras in the parking lot of The Princeton Club, my gym. The women like it. Frankly, it doesn't even bother me that much.
One could argue that an armed woman doesn't need cameras.
However, if people in London want cameras and metal detectors more than individual freedom, that's their call. I dislike it, but then as an American boy being raised my the WWII generation, I was taught to hate it.
And the Orwell book "1984" scared the Honda parts out of me.
Let me be polite in my discourse, "Englishmen, I disagree."
La Pistoletta
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This describes the situation in the UK and most of Europe (including my own country of residence) well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxpiAtiZx5Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxpiAtiZx5Q
camslam
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I feel badly for people in the United Kingdom that would like to own a firearm for defense and carry it responsibly. That being said, obviously that populace hasn't figured it out yet and hopefully at some point they will.
You have to wonder how blind people can be to the facts.
Putting that aside, really we are talking about CRIME control, not gun control or knife control. If you lock up criminals and KEEP them off the streets, a funny thing happens.
THEY DON'T COMMIT CRIMES ON THE GENERAL POPULACE ANYMORE. :banghead:
Kind of amazing isn't it.
Hopefully we'll get more serious about crime control in our country as well.
You have to wonder how blind people can be to the facts.
Putting that aside, really we are talking about CRIME control, not gun control or knife control. If you lock up criminals and KEEP them off the streets, a funny thing happens.
THEY DON'T COMMIT CRIMES ON THE GENERAL POPULACE ANYMORE. :banghead:
Kind of amazing isn't it.
Hopefully we'll get more serious about crime control in our country as well.
La Pistoletta
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camslam: to do that you must assert that criminals are truly guilty. That's far from a given to many.
Psywarrior13
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Sadly I don't think they will figure it out... until it is too late to make a meaningful difference.
Sad.
I find it funny that more than 60 years after Hitler died trying to bring England and the rest of Europe under the boot of oppressive totalitarian government, he's finally having a bit of success. Way to go Britain!
Seriously, once upon a time, the British were a people to the feared and respected. Now, sadly, they are only to be pitied.
I find it funny that more than 60 years after Hitler died trying to bring England and the rest of Europe under the boot of oppressive totalitarian government, he's finally having a bit of success. Way to go Britain!
Seriously, once upon a time, the British were a people to the feared and respected. Now, sadly, they are only to be pitied.
camslam
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See that is a tough one for me. I don't want to pity the British because they have been good allies and when I have visited the islands they have been extremely nice hosts.
I don't see much of a difference between the British, New Yorkers, Californians, New Jerseyians, Illinoisians, or in reality all of us as Americans.
People that keep voting in the same types of politicians that pass these sorry laws are the ones to blame. Fortunately the craziness hasn't reached all of us, but when you look at the joke of a Congress we have, you kind of have to wonder if we all shouldn't be included in the pitying.
La Pistoletta
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camslam said:
It's more than that, though. It shouldn't even be possible to vote away rights, even if the majority consists of the entire population minus one. Any system that allows such is corrupt.
That's why the US are a constitutional republic instead of a democracy. Lots of domestic terrorists would like to sneak in the concept of democracy to the US, though, by trying to substitute it for the idea of constitutional republic.
Question please~~~
How have people in the UK defended themselves against a KNIFE attack if they can't have a gun?
If the victim is not a knife carrier herself or himself, can't pack a gun - open or conceal with all of the anti gun laws, what do they do besides the 'usual tactics'? Lay down, bleed or die?
How do the UK people defend themselves?
Catherine
How have people in the UK defended themselves against a KNIFE attack if they can't have a gun?
If the victim is not a knife carrier herself or himself, can't pack a gun - open or conceal with all of the anti gun laws, what do they do besides the 'usual tactics'? Lay down, bleed or die?
How do the UK people defend themselves?
Catherine
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Catherine said:
They don't. Neither do Swedes.
sacp81170a
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In my training and experience, the best weapon to counter a knife isn't another knife. Preferably, it's something longer that keeps you out of reach of the knife yet allows you to strike your attacker. In my case, it happened to be a camera at the end of a neckstrap used like a morning star or a mace. A long, flexible weapon like a belt with a large buckle or a stick weapon like a cane are particularly useful. Hopefully those items won't be the subject of the next ban.
For members in the UK: are there laws against carrying a "walking stick" or cane unless you can prove a disability?
wristtwister
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They remember how much trouble all those colonists were in America with guns... They practically broke off from England and formed their own country...
Imagine the audacity!.. a country based on FREEDOM...
WT
Imagine the audacity!.. a country based on FREEDOM...WT
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