Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

UK Gun Laws....OUCH!!!!

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Banta, Aug 12, 2006.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Banta

    Banta Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2006
    Messages:
    81
    Location:
    Canada
    I used to think Canada's gun laws were tough but after recently purchasing my first couple of handguns I now realize they aren't even remotely as bad as some Americans make them out to seem. Now you want to see harsh gun laws, just take a look at the UK. (I'm especially amazed by what they consider a "large" quantity of ammo)

    http://www.wktimes.co.uk/content/br...y=newswkc&itemid=WeED13 Jun 2006 17:51:54:613
     
  2. Stiletto Null

    Stiletto Null Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2006
    Messages:
    863
    Location:
    Raleigh, NC
    44 + 2 +3 + 15...64 rounds.

    I can go through that many rounds in one session just out of my Mauser.
     
  3. Nathan Williams

    Nathan Williams member

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2006
    Messages:
    190
    Sad really, this from the country that gave us the magna carta.
     
  4. Eightball

    Eightball Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2005
    Messages:
    4,257
    Location:
    Louisville, KY
    Politics and firearms have almost been mutually exclusive throughout history--progress in one doesn't necissarily equal progress with the other. But WOW, those are some messed up laws. 3 years for having 44 "unfired" rounds, of varying types. And that's a "stash of ammo". We should invite british authorities into our homes---where autoloading firearms can exist (unless you're in CA :p ), and we have thousands of rounds.
     
  5. Euclidean

    Euclidean Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2005
    Messages:
    832
    Location:
    Texas
    My brain just exploded... things like this make me wish the zombies would hurry up and get here.
     
  6. MrZ

    MrZ Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2006
    Messages:
    107
    Sad imo...

    Very sad.
     
  7. benEzra

    benEzra Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    8,575
    Location:
    Down East in NC
    Don't you guys have tight restrictions on AR-15's, mini-14's, and such, and a 10-round capacity limit?

    To me, that is indeed very, very, very bad. Not as outrageously bad as the UK, but a big step in that direction. Certainly as bad as California.

    (Other than your gun laws, I like Canada a lot, though. No offense intended!)
     
  8. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2002
    Messages:
    23,648
    Location:
    Los Anchorage
    Canada is similar to some of our more anti-gun blue states. But it's a really big country and there's still a strong gun culture esp. in the rural areas. The biggest stink is made over handguns and "scary looking" long guns. Traditional hunting rifles that are totally banned in the UK are very widespread in Canada. There are millions and millions of them. If they locked people up there for owning cartridges, most of the population in BC, Alberta, the Yukon and NWT outside the cities would be locked up.

    The UK is much, much worse. In fact it's far worse than continental European nations, many of which have well entrenched gun clubs and better laws for full auto and silencer possession than we do in the states.
     
  9. Banta

    Banta Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2006
    Messages:
    81
    Location:
    Canada
    "Don't you guys have tight restrictions on AR-15's, mini-14's, and such, and a 10-round capacity limit?
    To me, that is indeed very, very, very bad. Not as outrageously bad as the UK, but a big step in that direction. Certainly as bad as California."


    I am not really into the AR-15, Mini-14 type of guns (yet) but allot of the guys up here are. You can own pretty much most of them with the exception of Full Auto or Silencers. We do have a 10 round capacity limit and for what it's worth this does not apply to .22's. We are not limited to the caliber or amount of handguns or rifles we can purchase plus we can purchase as much ammo as we like. I have noticed that we do have a few relaxed laws compared to the US such as when we purchase a handgun online we can have it shipped directly to our door (It has to go through a FFL dealer in the US right?) plus we can purchase guns from Norinco and the likes which are banned from US import. There are some other laws which are stricter than the US but honestly, If you have no criminal record or mental health problems you will have no problem getting the licensing required to purchase rifles or handguns.

    Like Cosmoline said in his post we do have quite a strong gun culture especially in the rural areas and this was shown when our Liberal government came out with the rifle registry a few years ago. Probably half of all the rifle owners refused to register their guns and this issue was a never ending thorn in the governments side. Now that we have a Conservative government in power their plan is to scrap the rifle registry.
     
  10. Cromlech

    Cromlech Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2006
    Messages:
    695
    Location:
    England, U.K.
    Are we talking about semi-automatic, traditional hunting rifles here? :confused:

    You can own a single shot bolt-action Steyr .50 rifle in the U.K still. Magazine capacity isn't restricted really, apart from on shotguns.
     
  11. Fosbery

    Fosbery Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2006
    Messages:
    1,599
    Location:
    Great Britain
    These two people were not arrested because they had 'too much' ammunition, they were arrested because they had ammunition for which they had no permit (ammunition and firearms are treated just the same).

    There is no limit on how much shotgun ammunition a person can have, and limits on the ammount of other ammunition a person can have are decided between you and the police. In my experience, you get what you ask for, I've never been told 'that's too much'.

    There are no restrictions on magazine capacity, even on shotguns. The only time ammunition capacity is an issue is when deciding if a shotgun is a section 1 shotgun or section 2 shotgun (section 1 is over 3 rounds, section 2 is 3 rounds or under).

    Tradititional hunting rifles such as leverguns and boltguns are perfectly legal.
     
  12. Banta

    Banta Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2006
    Messages:
    81
    Location:
    Canada
    Fosbery, I guess it's just a bit surprising to read about someone getting arrested for possessing ammo whether they are licensed or not, not to mention what we would consider such a small quantity of it. Maybe if the person had thousands of rounds of ammo and had been caught reselling it illegaly I could understand the justification of the harsh sentence. Have these laws cut down on Gun crime in the UK?
     
  13. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2002
    Messages:
    23,648
    Location:
    Los Anchorage
    And slaves were free to leave the plantation, just so long as they got their master's permission. It wasn't illegal at all!

    That's a pretty bizarre view of the world boyo.
     
  14. Fosbery

    Fosbery Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2006
    Messages:
    1,599
    Location:
    Great Britain
    Lol, of course they havn't. Fewer legal guns = more crime.

    @ Cosmoline: Permits for such guns are 'shall issue'. To deny a permit to someone the police need to probe there is a very good reason why you shouldn't have one e.g. you're clinically insane.
     
  15. Mumbles_45

    Mumbles_45 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2004
    Messages:
    439
    Location:
    WA
    those evil "readily concealable" spent casings
     
  16. Tom Servo

    Tom Servo Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2004
    Messages:
    1,314
    Location:
    The hilly SE
    Euclidean, that's going to be my new sigline!

    I almost caught myself saying, "wow, our laws are nowhere near that bad," but it occurs to me that it's only a matter of time.
     
  17. gitarmac

    gitarmac Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2006
    Messages:
    79
    Location:
    Savannah GA
    It doesn't matter

    about the gun laws if you don't have the right to use them in self defense. Guns were not invented to punch paper and it's nice you can use them for target shooting but you can target shoot with a bb gun or air rifle for that matter.

    I don't think of gun laws as an issue of laws that affect guns and gun usage, I think of them in terms of self defense. Is anybody "allowed" to defend themselves anymore? With anything other than a rape whistle?







    Margo
     
  18. TIZReporter

    TIZReporter Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2005
    Messages:
    128
    At http://www.infozonenews.com/freedom.html there are several items on some of the laws and restrictions on freedoms in the UK and the United States and Australia.

    Not only do you have to have a licence to possess a gun, but believe it or not, you also need a licence to own and use a television set.

    The WFSA has a very good site with links to laws in several countries.

    While it might sound good, in the United States to ignore the international scene, remember where many guns are made -- Europe.

    The Brits have it bad, but in Canada the Liberals have proposed a handgun ban.

    All gun owners, regardless of where, and why type of gun must unite and realise an attack on any gun owner, or any gun is an attack on all of us.

    TIZ
     
  19. Boom-stick

    Boom-stick Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2005
    Messages:
    872
    Except SLUG:D

    I have:evil:

    1200 .22lr
    600 .44mag
    600 9mm
    600 .45ACP
    600 .445
    600 .308
    600 .223
    300 12g slug

    My new FLO wasn't what I'd decribe as a true example of happiness at this request, it's been 3 weeks and I'm still waiting for an answer:confused:
     
  20. sterling180

    sterling180 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2006
    Messages:
    901
    Location:
    Joydens Wood, United Kingdom
    My friend,20 years ago our laws and choices were similar to yours and to the Australians-but because of our gun massacres,involving various weapons and ammunition-we have become very strict and authoritarian-in terms of private ownership.

    The Aussies have harsher controls than us,on semi-auto rifles and pump-action/semi-auto shotguns(because they are banned.)but are still allowed handguns-unlike us.The GCN movement and Blairs communist party ended that for us completely-except for our really long handguns.:fire: :fire: .

    Now then,back to the history of the demise of the "good guns",from the UK mainland.

    1989: Tory toffs said "You don't need SLRs,so we will grab them,because you could be another Micheal Ryan".I believe that Marc Lepine,caused a similar effect in Canada-in this year-but your government were more sensible than us.

    1997:Handguns are banned,because of Thomas Hamilton and angry mothers wanted justice for the deaths of their kids,so theyhelped form the GCN and Mothers against Guns in the UK and demand that handguns should be banned-by annoyingly pressuring both Tory and Labour governments.The former are way too liberal,towards people instead of shooting people-so they banned our handguns.
     
  21. TIZReporter

    TIZReporter Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2005
    Messages:
    128
    Sterling,

    I respectfully submit that it wasn't the massacres as much as it was a lack of proper research, and proper political lobby efforts.

    The research clearly demonstrates that the path taken in Britain is not having the results intended.

    The changes to British society we are seeing with the anti-social behavior legislation, knife bans and the handgun ban are all evidence that in Britain there are not effective groups which can make the needed impact with bureaucrats and politicians, let alone the public.

    There is a lesson for all of us in Britain, because as a former bastion of liberty and freedoms, Britain is not the land it was.

    TIZ
     
  22. Onmilo

    Onmilo Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2004
    Messages:
    9,773
    Location:
    Illinois`
    Wow, and I just bought 250 rounds of 9mm, 200 rounds of .223, and 160 rounds of .308 at my local Dunhams and nobody even batted an eye at my purchase, heck I even live in one of the more gun restrictive states too,,,,God bless the good old USA.
     
  23. Nathan Williams

    Nathan Williams member

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2006
    Messages:
    190
    Onmilo, just wait and see what our friendly govenor trys to pull if he gets another 4 years this Nov :barf: . Are you aware of his recent attempt at a ban on all semi-automatics? The things Rod has in mind for us make ********** look ideal :( .
     
  24. gitarmac

    gitarmac Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2006
    Messages:
    79
    Location:
    Savannah GA

    Ok, then can the few private owners use the weapons they are "allowed" to own to defend themselves against "massacres"? Can anybody defend themselves against anything?

    This is the second thread that I've tried to get an answer to that question. What good is owning a gun if you cannot use it to defend yourself with? It seems to me that the issue isn't so much guns as the right to self defense. The restrictive gun countries are also the passifist mindset countries in which defending yourself is viewed as more morally wrong then the crime in which you are defending yourself from.

    That's what it seems like to me anyway and so far nobody has been able to site an instance to dispute it.
     
  25. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2002
    Messages:
    23,648
    Location:
    Los Anchorage
    Permits for handguns and rifles are shall issue in the UK? That's news to me.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page