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(UK) Knife amnesty nets 17,700 weapons

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  1. Drizzt

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    Knife amnesty nets 17,700 weapons

    Carrying a knife can land you a four-year jail term

    Over 17,700 weapons were handed in during the first week of the national knives amnesty, the Home Office said.

    Machetes, meat cleavers and axes as well as knives were among the haul of 17,715 surrendered to the 43 police forces across England and Wales.

    Home office minister Vernon Coaker said the results were "encouraging".

    The five-week amnesty, running until 30 June, allows people to surrender knives at police stations without fear of punishment.

    Mr Coaker urged those who had not yet handed in their weapons to do so.

    "The initial figures for the first week of that campaign are very encouraging, " he said.

    "That is 17,715 fewer weapons that can be used in a crime against ordinary, law-abiding citizens.

    "If you carry a knife out of self-defence, you run the risk of having it turned on you. Carrying a knife is illegal and will not be tolerated. It could land you four years in prison"

    'Significant step'

    As well as knives, Devon and Cornwall police also received an 8lb anti-tank rocket launcher, known as a "tankbuster", which has a range of up to 350 metres.

    A force spokesman said: "The amnesty is for all weapons and if someone wants to get rid of a rocket launcher, that's fine by us."

    Devon and Cornwall's assistant chief constable, Tony Melville, who is also a member of the Association of Chief Police Officers, said the haul was "a significant step towards making our streets safer".

    The initiative, running in England, Wales and Scotland comes amid growing concern at the level of knife crime in the wake of a series of fatal stabbings.

    Police say that from 1 July tough action will be taken on those found armed with knives.

    However, some families of victims of knife crime have questioned the effectiveness of an amnesty, calling instead for tougher sentencing.

    Last month 15-year-old Kiyan Prince died from a stab wound after being attacked outside his school in Edgware, north London.

    And last week Alex Mulumba Kamondo, also 15, died after being knifed through the heart during a street fight in Lambeth, south London.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5086922.stm
     
  2. NoPhilly

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    I'm confused... Is it illegal to simply own a certain type of knife in the U.K.?

    Why would anyone turn in a meat cleaver or an ax? How will they cook? Or split firewood? Why not simply keep the knife home?

    Are knightsticks illegal in the U.K. (to carry) as well?
     
  3. torpid

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    Do you mean "nightstick"?
    A knightstick is a mace. :D
     
  4. NoPhilly

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    Yeah, I meant a "nightstick." :eek: By a mace, you mean that stick with the metal ball & chain on the end? The one I've seen at the museums?

    With the U.K.'s "knife amnesty" program in effect, what options are available for personal defence for the average citizen? Is pepper spray banned as well?
     
  5. Iggy

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    I suppose someday will have to gather up all our spare knives to re-arm them when a famine or other culinary crisis arises....:rolleyes:

    That's if we still have any ourselves............
     
  6. Cromlech

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    Here is my big 'Two-fingered salute' to the nanny state:

    [​IMG]

    The Glock knife and the Smith&Wesson Bootknife arrived today, along with a few other goodies, including a rather nifty sharpening kit. I have had the U.S (M3?) trench knife for a little while now, it is a beauty to behold. :D
     
  7. longeyes

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    England "red in tooth and claw."

    Well, no longer, apparently.
     
  8. Daniel T

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    Well, that's all of them then! Good job boys, pack it up and head home!
     
  9. Cromlech

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    It really is depressing you know. People here don't know how to look after themselves as a result of this kind of legislation, they are completely dependant on the Police. You hardly ever see the police in my town, unless they feel like a nice little drug raid on the local pubs.

    Bah! :cuss:

    I bet that all of these stabbings will continue.
     
  10. sacp81170a

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    Haven't we heard this in reference to guns before? What about a rock? A brick? Hey! I know, I'll carry an Epilady for self defense. Then at least when it's "turned on me" I'll at least look better. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Baba Louie

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    Perfidious Albion strikes yet again another blow to the good people who made Her great. I'm sure that the criminal ilk have turned in all of their sharpened pieces of steel, eh w'at?

    cromlech, you're verging on the edge of becoming a maniacal scaliwag, I tell ya. ;)

    sigh... or for carving a Christmas goose.

    "That's one less rocket launcher that can be used in a crime against the ordinary, law-abiding citizens"... LOL
     
  12. Cromlech

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    Haha, yeah I guess I like to vent a little bit. However, I don't post my thoughts on the whole 'JBT' thing, or about overthrowing the government, because we don't really have freedom of speech here. It would not stand me in good stead to have comments like those of some Americans on this board presented in a court case.

    Not that I am planning on doing anything illegal, but you get the idea.
     
  13. Baba Louie

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    What was it Thoreau wrote, "On the Course of Civil Disobediance"? Of course he was only writing about slavery, taxes and the Mexican War.

    When they outlaw rocks only outlaws will have rocks.

    Would love to have one of these Puma saufeder's...
    http://www.pumaknives.com:443/?n=store&b=44&pl=59&p=127

    Wonder if that qualifies as a knife w/ a 6 ft handle?
     
  14. Cromlech

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    That link turned out broken for me Baba Louie, but I looked up the website home address. They have some nice blades there! :D

    If only I lived in Vermont/Alaska/Montana/Texas, instead of this pseudo-socialist nightmare. :fire:
     
  15. Cosmoline

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    Cromlech--I don't know how you can stand it over there. But it's nice to know there's some vestige of sanity left in the UK. What's really hilarious is to watch the Brits who try to defend the policy on other forums (or Agricola here). They ardently insist this isn't really going to impact *THEM*, only those yobbos and yardies. The frog is at this point almost entirely in the boiling water, but still he croaks his protestations that the cook is being perfectly reasonable and the water is only luke warm (never mind the bubbles or the smell of meat). And the cook? Oh, he still has HIS knife.
     
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    I'm Just Curious

    Is there any kind of voice for liberty and self defense in England? At what point do people who are fed up actually get organized over there? I feel sorry for them....
     
  17. Cromlech

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    That is because, for the most part, the shooting community are a bunch of toffs who ride around on huge horses chasing little foxes with the added fun of a pack of dogs.

    I am sure that the firearm owning community in the U.S.A stick together more, but over here people are only willing to protest if someone threatens to take away their precious SxS Holland & Holland.

    I'm far too young to be this bitter already . . .:(
     
  18. Battler

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    Actually, the knife bans really won't ban any "ordinary" people. . . . that's technially correct.

    Picture the british equivalent of someone in your social standing/job. He doesn't carry a knife, and is scared at the sight of them. Gun? No way.

    "Ordinary" people do not plan self defense with weapons in the UK, and they fear people who do.

    That is the origin of such laws, not the gov.
     
  19. Cromlech

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    Battler Is right, unfortunately. Most people here are scared to death of weapons, and those that wield them.
     
  20. ball3006

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    I guess baby food will become popular...

    in England since there isn't any kitchen tools to cut up your bully beef with. What happened to the lion that roared............chris3
     
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    Yes,but target-shooters,that shoot unconventional weapons are considered to be potential psychos like that loony at Hungerford.That guy,as I have said many times before-dressed up like a militia man,in the USA-and went around firing his AK47,M1 Carbine and shotgun,at anything that moved.He even had a couple of fragmentation grenades and some pipe-bombs,to take care of the swat team-when he eventually hid in his former high-school.

    Anything that is semi-automatic or pump-action,seems to bring some near to tears-particulary some sensitive women.It takes alot of time and effort to comfort them,after.By the way,Im serious and I am not joking either.Firearms certainly can cause some women to sob-i've seen it and I felt awful,because I tried to explain that I would never kill a person-with them.

    Others are just rude and would shun you-because they are biased towards shooting-sports and towards knife ownership.They think that you would be the next Fred West,John Duffy,Jeremy Bamber,Ian Huntley and Daniel Gonzales,because you like knives.
     
  22. Cromlech

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    Yeah, I do know what you mean there sterling180. This topic brings out strong reactions in the average U.K dweller. Especially the more sensitive types.
     
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    You have to wonder if they have any idea what those words sound like in the ears of an American. It's really hard to believe things have gotten that far along in England. Don't the people have any say in their laws over there? I can't imagine that most English people want the police to confiscate their knives. Don't they realize that the only people turning them in are the people who scrupulously follow the law, i.e., people who wouldn't pose a criminal threat to anyone? No mugger is going to turn his in. They're all having a jolly good laugh at all this victim disarmament. The government, they must be thinking, is working for them now.
     
  24. GrizzlyGraves

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    God Save the British people

    I am am proud to have dual citizenship in the US and the UK but I will NEVER live in that socialized big brother nanny state. They heve been overrun by the liberals and are selling themselves out to militant Islam at the same time.

    They can't have guns, they can't have knives and they can't even fly their OWN FLAG for fear of offending the Muslims who have invaded their country. :banghead:

    Once a proud nation with a long and rich history, England has been reduced to the pathetic quivering mass of spinlesness that Americans will take up arms to prevent happening here.
     
  25. Cromlech

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    The Real Hawkeye, you would think that is the case wouldn't you? To be honest though, this type of thing goes down rather well with a large portion of the men and women of the U.K! They seem to think that all the criminals are just misunderstood, impoverished and confused youths, that need our love and support.

    A lot of people here don't like facing the facts. Me and you, as well as most on this board, know that criminals don't obey the law (By definition) and have now been offered even easier targets.
     
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