UK's own ammo accountability

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Hey check this out:

A CSI-STYLE gun crime database was today launched to “track” bullets used in the UK.

The £8million National Ballistics Intelligence Service (NABIS) provides a specialist analysis of all ballistics.

It was opened today by Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, in a secret Midlands location, and gives guns and bullets a “fingerprint” which can be tracked.

The service is being hailed by police forces as potentially the most important step forward in hunting down violent criminals and their weapons.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2286261.ece


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Why would they need to track bullets when they have banned guns? Presumably people have taken to throwing bullets!
 
Yup... but they were talking about the database for handguns.
Handguns are illegal in the UK, so I wonder howmany registerations they will get.
 
a its the sun so they mangled the story :evil:
b its about illegal guns and forensics nobody is going to waster there time fingerprinting target rifles/stalking rifles as not used in crime
 
they've been doing this in Northern Ireland for years. A Ruger revolver taken from an officer feloniously slain was subsequently tracked as being used in several assassinations.
 
To some extent it does work for shotguns. They have been doing a lot of work on the plastic shot column in recent years.
Those CCI shotshells are so unusual here they would stand out in themselves. It took me several of them to execute a squirrel in a trap recently - feeble.
 
I may be ignorant and not an expert in the field, but I can’t see all the benefits of a system like that. Most firearm related crimes can be avoided by giving civilians rights to arm themselves. Ballistics and forensic investigations happens after the fact.

I hope this system will eventually help all the UK Sport Shooting men and women practice with full power handguns again. This in order for them to train and complete as a national team, proud of a country that’s got a rich sport shooting history which had a bad run with stupid laws caused by paranoia and firearms incompetent politicians.
 
duh, the criminals will simply by pass this. firearms and ammunition will soimply be brought in via the black market. how dumb are british "authorities" anyway?! 8 million pounds is like roughly 16 million dollars here in the states. it sounds to me like there are a few "authorities" who will be able to vacation on the french riviera this year.
 
Firearm related crime is not going to be stopped by the ability to track and trace a bullet to a firearm. Speeding fines does not stop you from speeding when you are late for work, even if they have number plate camera systems in cities and a GPS unit in every car, all they achieve is a way to prosecute a criminal faster.

I speak under correction, but we have a similar system deployed here. As the Police confiscate firearms it is sent for balistics testing, then the results can be be linked to crimes committed up to 30 years ago. The problem is that the firearm has changed hands many times for a couple of $'s.
 
I did not have a idea for what a track and trace system is capable of – I now have traced and spoken to the people who have designed and implemented and operates the system in my country. First of all they claim to be world leaders and have invested hundreds of millions into it. They have explained the benefits, drawbacks and the speed this system and match a bullet or case to an outstanding police docket. If a criminal leaves the evidence these guys are going match the gun to the crime scene in a legal acceptable manner.
 
I may be ignorant ... Ballistics and forensic investigations happens after the fact.

I don't know about "ignorant", but you are operating under the delusion that the government/police are there to protect you.

They are not.

The role of the police is to track down suspected criminals and make arrests, not to protect the citizens.

The government attempts to "protect" you by making sure you have as few lethal weapons as possible in your possession so that you can't hurt yourself, and hope that criminals obey the same laws so they won't hurt you either.
 
I did not have a idea for what a track and trace system is capable of – I now have traced and spoken to the people who have designed and implemented and operates the system in my country. First of all they claim to be world leaders and have invested hundreds of millions into it. They have explained the benefits, drawbacks and the speed this system and match a bullet or case to an outstanding police docket. If a criminal leaves the evidence these guys are going match the gun to the crime scene in a legal acceptable manner.

NY State has had a similar system in place now for 5+ years, at the cost of $10Million+.

Number of "hits" the system has produced to date: 0
 
I would think most if not all "law breakers" don`t register their guns in the first place,most use stolen ones when doing their "business" anyway.
They could care less about ...trace-ing or tracking. Seems to me some other countries tried this sort of thing and realized it just don`t work.
 
they've been doing this in Northern Ireland for years. A Ruger revolver taken from an officer feloniously slain was subsequently tracked as being used in several assassinations.

That's nice. I can see where this ballistic fingerprinting system really worked out, as no homicides were prevented and, as far as one can read from what you've said here, the perpetrator is still at large.

What does it matter if we know that the same gun has been used over and over in this and that crime if we cannot find the criminal who is using it? He is still out there and, even whence caught, it cannot be proved by ballistic data alone that he is guilty of all the homicides attributed to the gun he has. At least not here in the US; An attorney fresh out of law school would make a mockery of the prosecution if they tried for a homicide charge based solely on the possession of an alleged murder weapon.
 
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