Unbelievable, dumb cleaning mistake - kills friend
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Holy crap! I thought for sure the guy in the pink shirt would be the one to get shot. Both guys were careless and stupid.
I always leave ammo in a different room than where I clean guns. Usually even leave magazines in a different room. Finish cleaning, then go to the other room, load up and holster.
I always leave ammo in a different room than where I clean guns. Usually even leave magazines in a different room. Finish cleaning, then go to the other room, load up and holster.
NIGHTLORD40K
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This could have been a clip from the movie Idiocracy.
armedwalleye
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Seems odd that after the shot there is no blood, nobody really takes any action to aid, just kind of walk around/out....
Arkansas Paul
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As a lifelong gun owner, I cannot fathom this level of stupidity.
edwardware
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That was painful to watch.
Negligent. Nothing accidental about it.
Negligent. Nothing accidental about it.
WestKentucky
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Stupidity and complacency such as this scare the hell out of me. A few years ago I would have not thought a lot about this, but now my brain is wired differently and I immediately think of how quickly and easily a mistake like this could cost my kids their life. It’s especially troubling with guns like my mauser 1914 where the magazine is actually used to release the slide. I believe this to be a major reason why so many guns are designed so that magazine has to be removed for disassembly.
I know of three different people that have shot a hole in a wall due to pulling the trigger after cleaning.
I hate having to pull the trigger on my Glock to break it down. Even after checking and rechecking. Still makes me nervous. Also get nervous dry firing. Again this is after checking to see if it's loaded.
I hate having to pull the trigger on my Glock to break it down. Even after checking and rechecking. Still makes me nervous. Also get nervous dry firing. Again this is after checking to see if it's loaded.
Trunk Monkey
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I don't object to cleaning guns with other people around. I did it all the time in the Army.
However, as someone else already said I unload the gun that I'm cleaning in one room and I clean it in another (actually the kitchen table).
When I'm done cleaning it I take it back to the room I unloaded it in, reload it and holster it.
Other than that, the four rules apply
However, as someone else already said I unload the gun that I'm cleaning in one room and I clean it in another (actually the kitchen table).
When I'm done cleaning it I take it back to the room I unloaded it in, reload it and holster it.
Other than that, the four rules apply
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I thought so too
That and the absence of any brush/ solvent/or even a paper towel were my first thoughts. No splatter. No ripple. No hole in the shirt etc.
And if one is going to play with their gun and point them at each other surely they wouldn't do it directly in front of the camera. Almost no grip on the gun but he maintained control. No flash. People were awfully close and indoors but didn't act deafened....idk If the video is real then yes both were acting pretty strange.
All of that said, I generally just take the gun, unload it at the bench and don't play with it. Sometimes the shells, bullets, whatever the case may be, do remain in the same zip code though.
Every case I've seen where someone shot something cleaning it was while unloading the supposedly unloaded gun. Not after cleaning, reassembly, re loading, then inexplicably pointing and firing. Sure it happens though.
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JeffG
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What part of "Don't point a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy", am I missing here??
CapnMac
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That may be due to H'wood depiction of blood and gore.
Small FMJ--.380, .32acp or the like could make a puncture wound that seals up on the front, especially if it does not hit bone.
Read ER reports, people will shrug off multiple hits and keep functioning.
The gun had very little recoil, like maybe a 380. (or a blank and it’s all fake?) I would not be surprised if his magazine was loaded with fmj. It’s very possible the bullet didn’t penetrate the skin of his back.
I’ll admit some things look fishy but stupidity could also look like this. The lack of blood doesn’t convince me it’s fake. So I agree with you CapnMac.
Riomouse911
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It could be fake.
It could also be real, I don’t know.
These dudes look and act like security guards or bounty hunter types, especially their untrained reactions to the incident.
There are many lessons that can be learned, even if this is fake.
That being said. It looks like a bit of Hollywood has had its influence on the posters, however.
People don’t always bleed out a gush of blood when shot. Head shots can be very bloody because our pumpkins are full of blood, as can leg-arm wounds severing major leg arteries. Extremity wounds pump for a while unless bleeding is addressed or the reserve of blood runs out. (I once went on a scene where a guy bled to-death from a single wound from a .223 fmj through the knee. Arterial blood spread out and covered an entire 2-car garage floor.)
I’ve been on several scenes where there was very little or no blood spilled at all, especially if the shot person is hit in large muscle or high fat areas. Those wounds tend to close up quickly, so if a large blood vessel isn’t severed leakage out of the plugged hole can be minimal even with an “over forty” caliber gun.
Clothing doesn’t always jerk around either, more Hollywood theatrics at play. With a gunshot you’re pressing a small hole into cloth at high speed, if it’s straight on there may be no motion visible at all. That, and the frames-per-Second ratio of the video, could easily skip right over any quick disturbance in the guy on the couch’s clothes.
If it isn’t phony, it is quite possible the gun/bullet fired was a 9mm fmj and the bullet entered into the pec muscles of the pretty buffed dude on the couch. If it severed the spine and stopped inside the body there might not be much pumped blood to push out the entrance hole when the severed nerves stopped the heartbeat.
Again, just mere speculation on my part. It’s based on many years being there before the firefighters and medics at many crime scenes and being on scene on a few occasions where people were shot right in front of me. It does look funky, but outside of movie and TV screens no two victims react to the trauma and die in the same manner when fatally shot. Sometimes it literally looks like people just keel over and die with nothing to tell a nearby person the victim had been shot until they’re examined closely.
Don’t be like these guys...stay safe.
It could also be real, I don’t know.
These dudes look and act like security guards or bounty hunter types, especially their untrained reactions to the incident.
There are many lessons that can be learned, even if this is fake.
That being said. It looks like a bit of Hollywood has had its influence on the posters, however.
People don’t always bleed out a gush of blood when shot. Head shots can be very bloody because our pumpkins are full of blood, as can leg-arm wounds severing major leg arteries. Extremity wounds pump for a while unless bleeding is addressed or the reserve of blood runs out. (I once went on a scene where a guy bled to-death from a single wound from a .223 fmj through the knee. Arterial blood spread out and covered an entire 2-car garage floor.)
I’ve been on several scenes where there was very little or no blood spilled at all, especially if the shot person is hit in large muscle or high fat areas. Those wounds tend to close up quickly, so if a large blood vessel isn’t severed leakage out of the plugged hole can be minimal even with an “over forty” caliber gun.
Clothing doesn’t always jerk around either, more Hollywood theatrics at play. With a gunshot you’re pressing a small hole into cloth at high speed, if it’s straight on there may be no motion visible at all. That, and the frames-per-Second ratio of the video, could easily skip right over any quick disturbance in the guy on the couch’s clothes.
If it isn’t phony, it is quite possible the gun/bullet fired was a 9mm fmj and the bullet entered into the pec muscles of the pretty buffed dude on the couch. If it severed the spine and stopped inside the body there might not be much pumped blood to push out the entrance hole when the severed nerves stopped the heartbeat.
Again, just mere speculation on my part. It’s based on many years being there before the firefighters and medics at many crime scenes and being on scene on a few occasions where people were shot right in front of me. It does look funky, but outside of movie and TV screens no two victims react to the trauma and die in the same manner when fatally shot. Sometimes it literally looks like people just keel over and die with nothing to tell a nearby person the victim had been shot until they’re examined closely.
Don’t be like these guys...stay safe.
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I was thinking this same thing. It sure looks like this was someone playing around and no one really got shot.
Riomouse911
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That’s often a result of the speed of the recording, coupled with our preconceived expectations.
We expect a flash when a gun is fired because we’ve seen it happen live and also on TV, etc. But watch video of machine guns being fired, you don’t always see a muzzle flash for every shot fired.
Since the flash from an actual gunshot is literally a microsecond in duration, if the video isn’t capturing images at a fast enough speed those brief instances when a flash is present won’t be captured on video because the flash literally “falls between the frames.” In other words, you won’t always see a flash on video, even if it’s obvious to bystanders, because the recording wasn’t fast enough to catch it.
This is especially true with long duration video such as cctv in stores, banks, etc. Those have to capture hours and hours of video every day and must be able to store it long enough to be useful... often 10 to 30 days (or more) depending on the business and the size of the recording device. As such it can’t run at a 100 or 1000 frames a second, it may run at 10 or 20. There is a lot that can be missed with lower resolution or slower speed recordings so common in home and business cctv systems... and even on better quality body cam and dash cam systems worn on the streets.
The old adage “ the video doesn't lie” Isn't entirely correct... it’s more like “what the video actually captures doesn't lie, but it often misses as much as it gets.”
Again, this video may be a hoax or 100 pct legit.. but either way there are lessons to be learned within.
Stay safe.
Trunk Monkey
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It really doesn't matter if the video clip is fake.
The lesson is real
The lesson is real
Pat Riot
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The video is grainy. Here is a snap shot from the video. You can see a dark spot on the man’s shirt just left of center. You can see the same spot a second later but it looks smaller. I would think someone hit in the heart wouldn’t bleed because the heart would stop. I am not a doctor do I don’t know.
Stupid, regardless.
Stupid, regardless.
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