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Unbelievable VPC hypocrisy--Help ensure VPC's shambolic FFL renewal is DENIED

Discussion in 'Legal' started by rkh, Feb 11, 2008.

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  1. rkh

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    Due to the heavy-handedness of one of THR's moderators I swore I would never post here again, but this is important the word needs to get out. Thanks.
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    Do as we say, not as we do. This should be the Violence Policy Center's
    new motto.

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    Unbelievable.

    The most anti-gun organization in the US has its own FFL, exempting it
    from the DC handgun ban the group claims to support.

    I was under the impression that Non-C&R FFL holders had to be bona-fide arms dealers to keep the license.

    Don't hesitate to give VPC a call. I'm sure they would be happy to price out
    that Glock you've had your eye on.

    VPC: (202) 822 8200

    If Josh won't cut you a fair deal, give our buds at BATFE DC a ring:

    BATFE DC branch office: (202) 648-8010
    Let the friendly agent know that VPC may, in fact, not be "engaged
    in the business of selling firearms at wholesale or retail."


    A bit of background reading. Tellingly, VPC's "report" appears to no longer be available.

     
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  2. Standing Wolf

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  3. rkh

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    Josh Sugarmann is the head of the VPC, and yes, his status as an 01 FFL exempts him from DC's handgun ban.
     
  4. Gunnerpalace

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    Iam at a loss right now.
     
  5. Atticus

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    I guess he does....and for noble reasons I'm sure. I wonder if he's been able to deal machine guns "on the street", as he so often claims.

    http://www.gunowners.org/op9509.htm

    In 1992, Mr. Sugarmann issued documentation suggesting a new form of gun control. If there are no places to legally purchase firearms, then firearms are effectively banned. Thus the BATF should make FFLs much more costly and harder to obtain. His monograph, More Gun Dealers Than Gas Stations, became the source for the debate on FFLs in the next Congress. (Mr. Sugarmann is listed as the holder of two FFLs himself--both giving Washington, DC addresses, one being that of his Violence Policy Center.)
     
  6. jimbob86

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    They don't want to ban all guns. Just the ones in John Q. Public's hands. The Elite, the Privledged will still have theirs.

    "Lex Bovis, non Jovis."
     
  7. QuestionEverything

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    A vigorous phone and mail campaign to the BATFE office might help remedy this situation. Are there any loopholes in the law that could allow this? Are organizations conducting firearms research permitted to get FFLs? Sugarmann's addresses probably aren't even in areas zoned for retail business.

    In the meantime, I might just call and see what their price is for a Barrett M82.
     
  8. DENALI

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    :confused: Ok, he's got one, Why?
     
  9. Robert Hairless

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    RKH, that image you posted is a bit small for me. Is there someplace I can get a full size version of it?

    I was able to see that several numbers in the FFL license number are "X." Do you know the actual license number?
     
  10. jfh

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    I agree the word needs to get out. So, call the Washington Times, the Washington Post, the LA Times, the NRA, GOA, anyone and everyone.

    After we determine the authenticity. What does it take to get the whole set of numbers?

    Jim H.
     
  11. mike101

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    Good work, rkh

    This is beautiful. I just posted this (no links to THR), for our little buddies on the Brady Bunch Blog, at Huffpo. The BC are big fans of the VPC, and Sugarman is a frequent blogger on Huffpo. If they delete it this morning, I'll try again in the afternoon, when Huffpo's moderators seem to be less subjective (read anal, and paranoid). :D

    I always back up my posts over there for this reason.

    Update:

    My post went through on Huffpo, but the link to the ATF site magically disappeared. I tried to post the link twice more. No luck so far. I'll keep trying. This is the kind of childish, dishonest BS you have to put up with when dealing with antis. It took me 13 tries to get those three famous anti gun quotes from Himmler, Kerry, and Wes Clark past the moderators over there.

    Update:

    Success! The link made it past the hatchet lady. They still will have to type in the 3 numbers, though.
     
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    Mike,
    Where is your post at Huffpo? I rarely go there and cannot locate your post though I found al of sugarmans.
     
  14. Baron

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    Called VPC, tried to price a Sig with Marty somebody as Josh was out. I played dumb as to why they wouldn't sell guns if they had an FFL. He laughed and called me an idiot, and I informed him he was probably in violation of federal law and I would be contacting the ATF.

    The agents I spoke with were very nice and promised they would look into it. I supplied them all the info from the FFL and asked that they consider not renewing their license when it expires at the beginning of next month.

    Thanks for the heads-up on this.
     
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    Today is a good day. :)
     
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    I notice they are also a 501c non-profit organization - between that and the FFL, I'd say there's probable cause for an investigation. Perhaps the whole outfit is just a front, and they're actually engaged in providing straw purchases for felons.
     
  17. fletcher

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    Amazing. So, who do we contact to get the ball rolling on this?
     
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    You know, in spite of battling bronchitis and the flu, today is a pretty good day. :)

    I love when hypocrisy is exposed. I would really enjoy hearing Mr. Sugarmann's reasoning for having a FFL, considering his position on the subject.
     
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    They have never made any secret of the fact they have a FFL. They don't "shout it from the rooftops," but they have mentioned it in the past.

    They have a FFL as part of their intelligence gathering strategy. By having a FFL they get all the mailings from the ATF. This keeps them current on what the regs are so they can look for "loopholes" or some such to publicize.

    This also allows them to attend the SHOT show and other venues where they would otherwise be unwelcome or not allowed.

    For them, it's part of a "know your enemy" strategy. No different in principle then one of use signing up as a member of the VPC to get their materials.

    Now, one crucial difference is that if they can't show they are "engaged in the business" of dealing in firearms the ATF should not allow them to renew their FFL when it expires. It is a business license, and if they can't show they are in business, the ATF should not allow them to continue to have a FFL.

    If they have a log book with *zero* transfers listed, that's a clue that the FFL should be revoked.
     
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    Question, does having an FFL really exempt you from DC's handgun ban?
     
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    Don't know but, someone contacted the ATF (In the thread in general) apparently this interested the agents. Time will tell,
     
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    Feeling kinda ornery today. Saw the above link, got torqued and put together a FEDERAL FOIA request. It's too late to make changes, I sent it out this afternoon.

    FOIA Request Launched:

    February 12, 2008

    Averill P. Graham
    Chief, Disclosure Division
    Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives
    Department of Justice
    Suite 1E360
    99 New York Avenue, N.E.
    Washington, DC 20226
    (202) 648-8740

    FOIA REQUEST
    Fee waiver requested

    Dear FOI Officer:

    Pursuant to the federal Freedom of Information Act, 5 U.S.C. § 552,
    o I request access to and copies of Any and all audit results of the "bound book" kept by FFL Holder: Joshua Alan Sugarman 1730 Rhode Island Avenue NW #1014 Washington DC 20036 License Number: 1-54-XXX-XX-XX-00725.
    o Number of firearms transferred by Mr. Sugarman broken out by handgun, rifle and shotgun.
    o Copy of his Federal Firearms Application.
    o Justification of how a 501c(3) non-profit corporation can obtain a type 1 FFL when the intent of having a type 1 FFL is to: devote time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms.
    o Amount of time Mr. Sugarman has had his Federal Firearms License, including number of renewals.
    o Also a determination of whether or not possession of a Type 1 FFL merits immunity from Washington DC's handgun ban.

    I would like to receive the information in electronic format, preferably E-mailed to: XXX@XX.XX. However, a CD with the records mailed to me at the above address is also acceptable. If neither option is available, I request hard copies.

    Please waive any applicable fees. Release of the information is in the public interest because it will contribute significantly to public understanding of government operations and activities.
    o I am requesting this information because it appears that Joshua Sugarman, head of the Violence Prevention Center a 501c(3) non-profit has a Type 1 FFL that might be illegally held or obtained.
    o I am trying to determine if it is legal for a 501c(3) non-profit corporation to legally possess a firearms license when the intent of the license is for individuals or corporations to make a living through the retail buying and selling of firearms.
    o I am also wondering how many firearms Mr. Sugarman has transferred through his Federal Firearms License.

    If my request is denied in whole or part, I ask that you justify all deletions by reference to specific exemptions of the act. I will also expect you to release all segregable portions of otherwise exempt material. I, of course, reserve the right to appeal your decision to withhold any information or to deny a waiver of fees.

    I look forward to your reply within 20 business days, as the statute requires.

    Thank you for your assistance.

    Sincerely,
     
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    Anyone for lodging a complaint with the IRS?
    First the FFL--next the 501(c)(3)! :fire:

     
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