i've noticed on alot of different gun related forums (thr included) that there is a trend among many of the posters to completely underestimate the bg. i continually see comments like - " as a rule bg's can't shoot." - "bg's have terrible aim." - "bg's use cheap junk that will most likely jam on them." -"most of the time they'll be high on drugs or fiending for their next fix." -" bg's are cowards who will flee as soon as the first shots are fired." comments like these make me curious to the poster's experience with violent criminals if they have any at all. i wonder if they tell themselves these things to build up confidence that meager training and practice will be plenty since in their little world the criminal they may one day face will be so inept that he couldn't possibly pose a serious threat. i've worked around violent men for a long time as a correctional officer and jailer for the county i used to live in. i've seen one man fight several with no training in martial arts and completely unarmed and come out on top. i've seen men stabbed repeatedly and or severely beaten and still put up serious defense against their attackers. i currently work with a man who is a former gang member, he now does outreach to help keep kids from getting involved with gangs. we have taken each other out shooting several times and he is a very competant shooter and a better shot than i am. he has three scars on his arm where he was shot by a rival gang member during a fist fight, he kept on fighting and told me at the time he didn't hear or feel the shots in the heat of the moment. the point i'm trying to make is that when i train and practice i try my best to prepare for the worst. i'm not confident that a few shots fired will make the bg turn tail and run. i'm not depending on how bad of a shot the bg will be, in fact i expect him to be as good or better than i am. i'm sure many of the criminals out on the street have more real world experience with gun fights than i do. i don't expect the bg's weapon to be crap, i wonder if he hadn't recently stolen a gun that functions just as good as mine. thinking of your opponent as less than absolutely lethal is imho setting yourself up for failure.