Unfair association with guns

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I have a good friend in France.
His web site is http://www.M9M4.com
They are allowed silencers, and short barreled rifles.
No full auto without military clearance, but he owns a wide array
of ....non sporting guns, and says we are way worse off then them in the restriction dept.

He is not a cop or a soldier, just a good guy who appreciates guns and knives.
 
True enough, but from all I can gather, their gun culture is mainly sport centered...while ours is more diverse and overlapping. While we have our share of "Fudds" here, there are many more who keep an eye on what 2A really means even though most of their reasons for owning firearms is for sporting purpose.
I agree.
 
That's one reason I really like the M1A. Without the mag in, it looks like a synthetic stocked hunting rifle, but you can load in 20 round mags and reach out and touch someone at 400 yards plus.

I like the not being a gun racist comment.
 
So why is it that I can own a "traditional" rifle without being questioned for owning it, but once I go to the "untraditional" I'm interrogated.
Irrational fear derived from ignorance, pure and simple.
 
Its just this simple:

When you don't really understand how guns work, the first visual impression is all you go on.
 
I have a neighbor, real leftie NPR type, never expressed any interest in guns and looked sorta bug-eyed when he first saw my reloading setup. Couldn't understand why I reloaded. Then I explained that I shot-- a LOT-- and that reloading was so economical it allowed me to shoot more often. I offered to let him go with me one day to shoot my 1921 Thompson and we did. He had a real good time, so much so that he asked if we could go again and let his wife come along. She is even more liberal thinking than he is.

We went a few weeks later and she accompanied us and even asked to shoot the Thompson several times. I also took my 1919A4 Browning and we shot it about 800 rounds.

Well before too long he informed me that a friend had given him a Ruger 10/22 and asked me to show him how to load and fire it. I did, and before much longer he asked me if I would help him find a shotgun that he could use for HD. Done.

A few weeks ago I was going to Sportsman's Warehouse and he said he needed some .22 ammo so we all piled into my car and drove over. As we emerged from the store later carrying heavy bags of ammo, his wife commented "My God, here we are stockpiling ammo! What will our friends think??"

So yes if you talk to your non-gun or anti-gun friends about guns and show them the fun side, and invite them to shoot with you, it can indeed change minds.
 
I have a neighbor, real leftie NPR type
medal guy--you may be surprised to find out that there is a huge contingency of folks like that out there, me for instance. These are exactly the types of people that we need to have take an interest in the shooting sports, since they will be tremendous spokespeople for it. Relating this to another thread, I believe you personally, medalguy, have done more to promote responsible gun ownership than Ted Nugent did by telling a reporter to suck on his machine gun. Well done sir.
 
medal guy--you may be surprised to find out that there is a huge contingency of folks like that out there, me for instance. These are exactly the types of people that we need to have take an interest in the shooting sports, since they will be tremendous spokespeople for it. Relating this to another thread, I believe you personally, medalguy, have done more to promote responsible gun ownership than Ted Nugent did by telling a reporter to suck on his machine gun. Well done sir.
All due respect, Sir, but i could care less if people love "the shooting sports".

I am more concerned with how they feel about the Constitution in general, and the 2nd Amendment specifically. It was not put there so people could shoot deer or clay pigeons.
 
Oh hey! I do too!

Grats on taking a nub shooting. The ones who you always think would hate it tend to be the ones who bug you the most after, too. The next step is to bug him about getting himself that. 22 pistol ... and the rest takes care of itself. My entry drug was a 12 gauge, but the .22 is easier to sell. >.o
 
Could I suggest that from now on we refer to our "assault rifles" as "sport utility rifles".
Might go down a little better.
 
All due respect, Sir, but i could care less if people love "the shooting sports".

I am more concerned with how they feel about the Constitution in general, and the 2nd Amendment specifically. It was not put there so people could shoot deer or clay pigeons.

Guntech, the shooting sports are a great way to introduce people to firearms, even if the 2nd was written around them. It is a lot easier to "sell" a fence sitter on firearms by taking them to the range and having a great day shooting targets, hunting, whatever, than telling them they better get prepared in case a benevolent dictator takes over and the citizenry needs to act.

The antis hate Sport Utility Vehicles already
Well burning more fossil fuels rather than less is a negative unless you are an oil company.
 
It is a lot easier to "sell" a fence sitter on firearms by taking them to the range and having a great day shooting targets, hunting, whatever, than telling them they better get prepared in case a benevolent dictator takes over and the citizenry needs to act.

Frankly that's how I treat my gun habit in the first case.

My guns are for me a hobby, a sport and a time sink. They just happen to make great weapons.

I mean, let's apply this fabled thing called Occams Razor here ...

How likely is it (in this reality, please) that a dictator takes over and we have to rise up and attack the dictator and his evil henchmen?
How likely is it that there's a great afternoon to be had popping clays with a semi auto 12 gauge?

While the second amendment arguably was written with the citizenry rising up in arms in mind, it was written in a different time. So I agree we should support the notion behind the amendment and maintain it, but realistically ... let's pop some clays, plink some cans and have some fun when we go to the range, instead of training for a possibility about as remote as it comes.
 
It may be a truism to state that the Rem. 700 is a sporting arm that is used martially, and the AR is a martial arm that is used sportingly, but it is accurate.

You can enter a 1978 Ford stationwagon in an auto race, and you could probably pick up the kids from soccer practice in a Testarossa...but in neither case are you using the vehicle for its most likely use.

People do not like the fact that some guns are born and bred to be used as a tool for taking human life. If you think about it, that's probably a normal, if not rational, response. People fear a hypodermic needle because it is used in a painful situation...even though its use results in something generally beneficial to the patient.

A good defense would be to state:

1. The US constitution does not guarantee the right to hunt with firearms.
2. Sometimes, as a last resort, overwhelming violence is needed to stem violent
behavior.
3. This gun is no more inherently evil than is the aforementioned hypodermic needle: or
perhaps more accurately, than a surgeon's scalpel.

This should cover the legal, moral, and philosophical aversions, although there may be others.
 
How likely is it (in this reality, please) that a dictator takes over and we have to rise up and attack the dictator and his evil henchmen?

I believe, if we didn't have guns, it would have happened already. Maybe before we were born.
 
It's things like this that inspiring my vision for a custom AR build: Birdseye Maple furniture (fixed position M-16 style hardware) and polished metal abound. Let's see them freak out over the fancy-sporterized no-longer-black possibly evil rifle :)

Only thing holding me back is cash. I plan on getting the first few parts to start the build very soon though.
 
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Could I suggest that from now on we refer to our "assault rifles" as "sport utility rifles".
Might go down a little better.

The damage is already done. Thanks to the media and hollywood everyone that sees a black rifle assumes their only good for school shootings, combat use, or bank robbers.
 
I believe the "damage" can be un-done if we were to correct everybody who refer's to them as "AR's" and simply tell them Assault is a behavior,not a device and this gun is a semi-automatic rifle with no assaultive-tendencies in properly trained hands.
Interestingly enough we had a tornado strike downtown North Minneapolis (a rough neighborhood) and looting started before storm had even finished, so police were called out to protect fire-fighters responding to emergency-calls with "long-guns"
So my ears perk-up thinking ??? M1-garand's ??? musket-loaders ??/ Then camera pans to picture of LE officer holding a semi-auto "black-gun" ,,, sheesh they didnt even have Trijicons mounted on top or forward-handgrips,,, that gun couldnt assault a bunny-rabbit !!
 
Dirtykid, I hope you were making a funny about the gun being less than , err, "assaultive", since it was missing a red dot sight and a funny handle on the forearm.
 
3. This gun is no more inherently evil than is the aforementioned hypodermic needle: or
perhaps more accurately, than a surgeon's scalpel.

Well wait a minute......lets look a bit closer at the fine quote above to see the real dilemma we are facing.
The surgeon's scalpel.....if it is sharp on both edges, it is in many places
banned or illegal unless your a policeman or soldier on active duty.
The feared and terrible,double edged knife.
And the same goes for if it folds into the handle and is opened with the push of a button.
A .....Switch Blade......notably used as the preferred weapon of American street
gangs.....in a MOVIE.


Hard to believe we are a thinking society.
Also hard to believe how we allow certain individuals and groups to manipulate our language.
Your no longer ugly....just cosmetically challenged. Not so bad.

Worse.... our elected "representatives" and now "LAW MAKERS"....a big mistake.
 
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I have always referred to mine as a "defense" rifle when somebody mistakenly calls it an assault rifle. I have no plans of assaulting anyone and I damn sure will be defending myself if I ever need to use it.
 
I decided to put it to the test. I got out my AR and proceeded to insult it, hoping to produce a reaction. I called it names, insulted it's mother , even slapped it a couple times(ouch). No matter what I did, I couldn't get it to "assault" me.
 
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