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Unissued Bulgarian Maks - should I get one?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Rival, Jan 9, 2004.

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  1. Rival

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    Yesterday my friend told me that one of the stores got those in stock. I live in Los Angeles, and apparently the Mak is too small to be sold in LA county - but no sweat, I drove 40 minutes to another county and there they are, new Maks.

    I checked out the guns, they seem to be in brand new condition (I am not really sure what Unissued means - does it mean unfired?), they do have numeral 10 inside two circles (meaning it was made on Arsenal Factory for use in the Army), and they have a nice looking black finish.

    Store wants $180, which comes out to $225 with taxes and registration fees. Well, the guns do get up in price, the CZ75 went from $300 to $450 in California, so I guess $180 for the Mak is not that bad...

    Should I get one?
     
  2. Murphster

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    That's what I paid for mine. After reading all the hype from Makaholics, I decided to get one a year ago. Turns out the hype is true. It's the AK-47 of pistols. In a year of shooting various Russian ammo and developing my own reloads, I don't think the gun has ever misfired, misfed, or failed to eject - ever. And it's pretty darn accurate with just about everything. Trigger isn't a 1911 trigger but it's not too bad and gets a little better with use. Mine shot a tiny bit high. Had to lightly file the rear sights down and cold blue. I don't think you'd be disappointed with the purchase.
     
  3. denfoote

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    There's never a BAD reason to buy Pistolet Makarova!!! :D
     
  4. Ninj500

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    Buy two and don't ever sell them. I sold one once and regretted it until today when I picked up my new Bulgarian version. :D Shoot them and enjoy.
     
  5. CZSteve

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    Yes, Buy It.

    I just picked-up an unnissued Bulgie and couldn't be happier.
    It's almost a shame as to how in-expensive these things are and how much fun, accurate, and reliable they are.

    Bonus: Ammo is cheap.
    I'm here locally w/ Cheaper than Dirt and can p/u Wolf FMJ for $4.50/bx any time I need. :D
     
  6. CWatson

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    You can buy Maks in Los Angeles county,not the city of Los Angeles or it's incorpirated areas.Turner's Outdoorsman [www.turners.com] in Pasadena had Bulgis on sale last week for $139.If you notice their ads alot of guns that are on sale can not be sold in Reseda(LA incorp)but can be sold in the rest of LA county.

    CWatson
     
  7. BTR

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    Mine is a great gun, I paid about $170 total. It's not as "sophisticated" as most modern handguns I guess, but is reliable and compact. I don't regret mine at all- it's the only handgun I have ever purchased.
     
  8. P95Carry

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    YES!! :p

    You owe it to yourself! :)

    I was so pleased to get mine .. it happens to be one of those with the Russian marking (triangle in circle) and so by default a bit more expensive .... but got it knocked down to $219 ... then tax added.

    Not quite the $140 of a used from a gun show but ... actually - for me a great prize ... indeed - it is the AK47 of small auto's.
     
  9. aircarver

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    HELL yes !!
     
  10. Rival

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    I went to the shop today, to buy one. I just held one in my hand two days ago... And now they are all gone. All of them. I am really pissed off. I checked online, if I decide to buy Makarov online I will have to pay additional $50 for the transfer fee, plus I still have to pay the 8.25% tax, plus I will have to pay for overnight UPS by air (I have no idea how much that is going to cost)...

    I still want the gun. I will probably have to pay over $260 for the Bulgarian one... :(
     
  11. WonderNine

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    The maks I've seen just looked cheap and strange. Add the $199 price tag to all the Bulg Maks I've seen along with having to shoot 9X18 and I have to say no thanks.

    If I was on a really tight budget I'd certainly consider one though for the right price. I like the fixed barrel and their reputation for reliability.
     
  12. standingbear

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    look around..youll have other chances-im sure someone can order you one.ffl holders can get these anytime its just a matter of how much hes going to charge you in addition to his cost-some will do it for 20 and some will order you one for no less than 50 over cost.maks arent rare or getting scarce so theres np reason to think you wont be able to get one or should pay a premium for the first one that comes along.180 is a fair price for an unissued mak.they are advertised in shotgunnews for 120-140 dealer cost all the time.
     
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    They claim that they're "good to very good condition"

    I see no mention of unissued.
     
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    Wodernine,

    The unissued come and go and cost about $15 more,you have to keep a eye on the site.Do you have a better source(any?)for him to follow up on?If so why do you not post it? Your welcome again,CWatson
     
  16. Rival

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    CWatson thank you for the usefull info.

    How does it work with Mr Christian, does he order the gun himself and charges you certain percent on the price, or you order the gun yourself and Mr Christian charges the transfer fee?

    Either way, what should I expect to pay for unissued Mak using the sources you provided?

    And one more thing, is there any way to get an unissued East German Mak, or we are talking totally different league here?
     
  17. CZSteve

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    I ordered 2 Bulgies from SOG in early december.

    Both appeared to be un-issued and were imported through RW Arms, therefore did not have the large import marks on the slide. Only smaller import markings on the frame.

    Did not pay the extra hand-pick fee BTW. Got lucky.:D
     
  18. care-less

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    Dans Sporting Goods in New Kensington, PA has two grades of Maks. One is Brand New, Unissued with two mags cleaning rod/tool, and a holster; $150.00!!! These have already been cleaned up/cosmoline removed and inspected. The second grade is issued/ 95% or better. These are $135.00, same deal as far as cleaned up, mags, and cleaning rod/tool; but no holster. They have quite a large supply of these pistols. Dan can be reached at 1-724-727-2648, or e-mail at info@dansammo.com You can see for yourself on their website www.dansammo.com If you have the latest issue of Shotgun News, page 152. Yes, get one! Where can you buy a pistol of this quality/reliability for a hundred and fifty bucks?
     
  19. CWatson

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    Rival,

    Contact Mr Christian via the E-mail on his site.I think right now the only new customers he is taking are referals so tell him Charles Watson refered you.Let him know you are buying a gun that is eligiable to be sent to California,the Bulgarian Mak is a C&R (not sure about E German ask MR C.)and can be shipped here.He will then have to send a copy of his FFL to SOG,but since he is one of the few FFLs that recieve guns at a reasonable price in LA he has most likely done business with them and they should aready have it on file.

    You will pay SOG yourself and let them know who you want it shipped to.If they already have Mr Christian on file they will shipped to him right away,if not they wait till they get the FFL copy from him.

    When he gets the gun in he will contact you through E-mail or phone and set a appointment for you to come in and do your DROS.When you go take your CA drivers license,utility bill with same name and address as on your license plus your California Handgun Safety Certificate. He charges $40 for NRA members,$60 for nonmembers.These prices inclued the $20 CA DROS.

    You will not be paying $260 ,less than $200 all together.
    Let us know if you get one and how you like it.CWatson
     
  20. Pointblank2K

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    FYI -
    I've used CD Firearms as well, Great guy to deal with and a reasonable fee, some of these guys in ********** really try and stick it to ya...he's not one of them.
    PB2K
     
  21. Scarface

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    Bulgarian Mak

    Hi Rival,

    If you get a Mak, you won't be sorry. I've had mine for many years and many thousands of rounds, with never a failure of any kind and mine was used when I got it. I usually pick up rounds at the local gun show, at $6.50 per 50, so practice is reasonable.
    Reliability is key in a pistol (or other firearm) and I count on mine.

    Be Well,

    Scarface
     
  22. JShirley

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    Maks are great. Mine went to my Grandpa, who really liked it. Need to pick up another sometime soon...
     
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    maks

    every one has to have at least one! i have a russian, a bulgarian and haunting the shows for an east german. you'll not regret buying one. :D
     
  24. Rival

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    Thank you guys!!!

    care-less: thanks to you I ordered the gun through Dans Sporting Goods in New Kensington, PA

    CWatson: I contacted Mr Christian via the E-mail on his site, and I did tell him that you recommended him. He did contact me back. Thanks a lot!

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    Thank you folks!!!
     
  25. DougB

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    Just to clarify/correct a couple of points for California buyers:

    - The Bulgarian Makarovs are not C&R guns. They are approved here because Century Arms International (CAI) submitted them for safety testing and has paid the fee to have them listed by the Department of Justice (same process as any current manufacture handgun).

    - According to the CA DOJ, the ONLY Bulgarian Makarovs that are approved for sale in California are those imported by Century, with CAI stamped on the frame. I know this, because I was interested in ordering one of the Bulgarian Makarovs recently imported by PW Arms. When this issue came up, I checked with the DOJ and received a very clear e-mail response to this effect. The DOJ representative told me that if PW Arms would send them an example, and they determine that it is the same as the Century Bulgarian Makarovs except for the import markings, then the importer would not be required to pay for lab testing. BUT, the importer would have to pay for it to be listed separately on the DOJ's approved list ($200/year, I think). Until and unless this happens, dealers shouldn't sell any Bulgarian Makaroves in CA that aren't marked CAI. I know this happens, and dealers can probably plead ignorance, but they are taking a chance. My FFL pointed out that the DOJ's list of approved guns clearly says "Century" and the Bound Book required by the ATF asks for the Importer/Manufacturer (which would be PW Arms), so it might be a bit tough to explain the discrepancy in the dealer's paperwork.

    I realize this whole issue is pretty ridiculous and frustrating (the same gun, from the same factory, becomes unsafe if imported by a different importer?), but that's what we have to deal with here in CA.

    Doug
     
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