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United Methodist Church 2008 Anti-Gun Resolution

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by MEH, Jun 1, 2008.

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  1. MEH

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    I got into a discussion with my Pastor this morning about this... I decided to post the resolution for the rest of you to see.

    I'd also appreciate any suggestion on how to explain why these anti-gun bills won't work, and why we shouldn't be supporting bills to limit freedom.


     
  2. Sindawe

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    Maybe you should suggest a resolution support legislation that limits the faithful to one service a month and that each domination shall have only one house of worship w/in a 50 mile radius.

    Good for the goose, good for the gander. :evil:
     
  3. Texas Colt

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    It is interesting how often the 6th Commandment is misquoted/interpreted. In the original Hebrew text, the word kill is literally translated murder, not killing of any kind.
     
  4. MEH

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    :D I made a similar suggestion to my Brother on the way home.


    I've tried to tell people that before but most don't seem to care. (You would think that they would have translated it a little better)
     
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    Stuff like this is one of several reasons I'm a former United Methodist. :banghead:
     
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    Ditto.
     
  7. Texas Colt

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    Another former Methodist and former Pennsylvanian.

    God Bless Texas !
     
  8. MEH

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    My Pastor doesn’t seem anti-gun at all. It seems like he just doesn't understand the reason behind the 2nd Amendment, or that once you start with guns laws like these worse ones will soon follow.

    He said he doesn't think banning guns is right, which leads me to believe He just needs to be educated more on the subject.

    I didn't get much time to talk to Him, but I tried to explain that one-handgun-a-month, and gun registration don't work, and that straw purchases are already illegal.
     
  9. Green Lantern

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    I agree that killing, or rather MURDER in cold blood is wrong in the eyes of God, man, and the law.

    But how in the heck does limiting law-abiding gun purchasers to 1 gun a month help at all in the second directive? You know, the whole prevent harm and to preserve life and the well-being of human life bit?

    A certain Ms. Assam would NOT have been able to do that for her fellow churchgoers if she would have happened to have been constrained by a 1-gun-a-month law like these fools are proposing.
     
  10. Fisherman_48768

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    Another former Methodist from Michigan for this very reason.
     
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    The United Methodist Church should remain concerned with what the church is supposed to be doing-helping Christians grow and spreading the good news of God's saving grace thru his Son Jesus Christ.

    Nowhere in the New Testament is there instruction for the church to get involved in political matters, which is what gun control is.

    A time when man will neither harm or destroy for sure is in the future, but it sure isn't the present. UMC wants us to go around helpless thinking about the wonderful future while the thugs of the present prey on us at will?

    Blessed is the peacemaker: when an armed citizen eliminates the punk shooting up a church, said citizen just made peace.

    The UMC needs to study their Bible, any translation of the original Hebrew makes it very clear the Commandment is speaking of "murder" not killing. Murder is the premeditated killing of another. Defending oneself against a deadly threat whereupon the aggressor is killed is not murder.

    And finally-UMC conveniently leaves out many verses in scripture that speak of self defense, Jesus himself said if one does not have a short sword he should sell a coat and buy one. Jesus was not this pansy pacifist that modern church likes to protray him as. He does not expect anyone to be a doormat for criminal behavior or be easy prey for a predator.

    Yes, I am a follower of Jesus Christ, I believe what the Bible says in plain language, and yes I own guns. I wouldn't be a good candidate for membership in the UMC would I!!
     
  12. slzy

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    i have considered myself a Protestant,rather than Methodist for many years. looking at membership numbers,i am not alone.
     
  13. SCKimberFan

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    I knew there was a reason I'm not a Methodist.
     
  14. Geno

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    There should be an absolute separation of church | state.
     
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    +1

    Nick
     
  16. Geno

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    Yup...here's another former methodist. This is a good example of why I remain an independent...I can live by my own convictions.
     
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    About 30 years ago, I contacted the Board of Church and State about very similar language coming out of their annual conference. The responder bragged that the UMC had "fully funded" the national coalition to ban handguns. The responder was not concerned that the majority of the membership at that time were quite conservative and were not anti gun. He responded abou the National Counsel being in a "leadership role" obligated to bring the less astute membership along.
    At that time, many Methodists were traditional Pro American , Pro law enforcement types. There were a lot of complaints from the general membership about the church setting up defense funds for H. Rap Brown and other new left revolutionaries and printing comic book type literature to distribute across central and south america criticising the united states for being capitolist /imperialists.
     
  18. Lady with a Gun

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    Some of the insanity from the United Methodist Church dates back more than 30 years.

    The Methodist Church has had a history of advocating the banning of handguns ever since before the GCA of 1968.

    In 1977, Allen Brockaway, head of the board of the UMC, in the church publication 'Engage - Social Activism', told women they had a duty to submit to rape.

    To that piece of drivel, I say, "Phooey on Brockaway and the UMC."
     
  19. MEH

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    I get the impression that many of the people in my Church aren't anti-gun but I don't think they are pro-gun either (Even the ones that own guns)...
     
  20. MEH

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    :what:
     
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    Whatever happened to the Gospel?
     
  22. Lupinus

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    Lutherans have no such problems with gun's ;)

    God never says killing is wrong, he says murder and unjust killing is wrong. People seem to all wrapped up in a loving God, and leave out the just God part. There is even a passage that Texans are in the clear (it states that you may kill an intruder at night, but not during the day....yes I'm serious)

    God has no problem with defending yourself, just wars, etc.
     
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    Luke 22:36 KJV Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
     
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    Oh yeah, then there's that little bit in (I think?) Nehemiah about re-building the city wall with one hand and holding a sword in the other.

    And Abraham & company were pretty well armed it seemed when he went to rescue his relatives.

    Anyway, I'm an ex-christian (escaped) now so I don't remember the exact chapter/verse/details right off the top of my head anymore.
     
  25. JWarren

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    I had the "Anti-Gun" discussion with our bishop when I was growing up Methodist.


    Based upon our conversation, I am no longer Methodist.


    Take for that what you will.


    -- John
     
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