Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Sistema1927, Apr 12, 2021.
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The one big think is that there has been a huge increase in Democrats who own guns. And they dislike the NICS system. There are now even pro gun leftwing groups on FB.
In point of fact, the mere existence of a 4473 is registration.
When I was living in California, two beach campers were murdered in their sleep by a scumbag with a Marlin Camp 45. Local law enforcement went to all the area FFLs and "requested" to see their 4473s in a search of names of everybody who had bought a Marlin Camp 45. Now, keep in mind, this article was in the Sacramento Bee which is a notoriously liberal rag. I was amazed they even printed it.
Anyway, according to the article, every FFL complied. Law enforcement then contacted the owners of the Marlin Camp 45 and "requested" they allow the authorities to test the weapons for ballistics. Again, every owner complied.
I don't know if they ever found the shooter, but we all realized that the 4473 is tantamount to "registration."
The latter is of course the definition of a do nothing law once you see the current class requirement, but it could easily be abused.
Doesn't apply, I've never been denied, only delayed. I did acquire a pin number though, and am now in a state where my carry permit allows bypassing NICS.
I am also in Washington. To add to your post, as part of the same law, the state is supposed to enact a system to perform an annual review of your continued eligibility to own a pistol or semi auto rifle.
Whaaaaa?? Not just no, but HELL NO.
Real problem. So how do we as responsible gun owners help address those issues without getting mad at the parents of those 26 kids? Because if we don't They Will Take your guns away 2nd amendment or not by hook or crook.
The goal is to create a TOTAL government (and crony) monopoly on the means of armed force. That is wholly apart from any alleged justifications or excuses. It is an end IN ITSELF, totally divorced from ANY other issue.
NOTHING short of a TOTAL gun BAN will satisfy the gun control cult and the greater culture of totalitarianism of which it is a part.
Denying that is merely self-deception.
unspellable, the secret clearance should have nothing to do with NICS check delays. Yes, your prints and a whole lot of info are on file with a few agencies, no it's not for criminal reasons.
The first "hurdle" is the first and last name. If you share a common name with a criminal or two, it will cause obstacles, delays, denials, etc.
I have a common name. I've been delayed, denied a few times and finally I got the UPIN. It now is part of the process for every 4473 transaction. My checks take a little longer than uncommonly named friends, but it will be approved.
But, the name issue also dogs me whenever I return to the US from international travel. The bad person is in the Federal system and I always get the stink eye at the port of entry. But, that's a story for another day.
A few facts about the law here:
No UBC for transfer between family members (spouse, siblings, children, parents, grandparents)
No UBC required for less than 72 hour transfer, so the stupid horror stories about letting your buddy hold or shoot your firearm at the range are null and void.
The law does not apply to C&R (50+ years old) or antique firearms, so pre-1971 is off the hook.
If you do end-up needing a transfer, most shops will do them for a nominal fee.
Just my observations. You are free to disagree.
I was actually not aware of this. But it's good to know.
Honestly, I too feel that UBCs have had no real impact on my life. I've sold privately to a few people I know, and usually they have brought up doing a background check before I have. Some others have approached me and tried to get me to sell them a gun. But as soon as I say "I like to stay on the right side of the law so we'd have to do a background check", their enthusiasm evaporates. And I think you can guess why.
I am denying that. IF gun owners don't come up with a way to self police and/or help stop the sale of guns to nut cases, How will you stop the mass killings? What if its your child or grand child murdered. Hey I own guns and have for the last 68 years how is keeping a gun out of mentally ill peoples hands hurting you?? We are not talking gun ban, we are talking common sense. I have bought and sold guns in private sales for years, no permit no gun. Its just once again common sense, UBC will not bother me in the least.
Our UBC was more for the registration of semi-auto rifles into the state database. Pistols have been registered in the state DB for a long time.
"Common sense" GUN BANS are the ONLY thing that's "on the table".
So-called "universal background checks" are a NULLITY without REGISTRATION.
Registration has NO function apart from facilitation of future CONFISCATION.
The anti-gun cult isn't even PRETENDING otherwise anymore.
How do you figure that?
The same way that everybody else who's given it two second's thought has "figured" it.
Without REGISTRATION, how do you enforce it? You CAN'T.
It's all steps to the ultimate goal: universal background check => registration => confiscation.
Any claim to the contrary is just disinformation. Even THEY don't hide it anymore.
If it is the case I think it is they did after a
They found him. It took them over a decade to put him in prison. He had also murdered his brother in 2017
Actually, it can be largely enforced. Most law abiding gun owners will not break the law to sell a gun without a background check where one is required if:
They believe the sale may be a sting operation
They know the buyer may given them up if they are caught commiting a criminal act
If there are serious legal ramifications to selling a firearm without a background check, most people won't want to take that risk. Particularly if others have been caught and convicted for doing the same, lost their gun rights, and possibly been sentenced to time in prison. It just wouldn't be worth it to me. Would it be worth it to you?
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