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Unknown Rifled Muzzleloader

Discussion in 'Firearms Research' started by JohnRov, Jun 13, 2019.

  1. JohnRov

    JohnRov Member

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    My FIL brought over this rifle a friend of his had laying around. It only has the marking on the stock as seen in the picture although we didn't take it apart. Has a little lever on the right side of the forearm that you press and the fore end slides off. Really big percussion cap on it. It is rifled. Missing the ramrod and has a bayonet lug on the right side of the muzzle.

    We have no idea where it came from and somehow neither does his friend, just had been in the basement for years.

    Interested in what you guys can tell me.

    Thanks!

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  2. 4v50 Gary

    4v50 Gary Moderator Staff Member

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    Sporterized. The French had a back-action lock rifle and the trigger guard is reminiscent of the earlier Charleville. Note: the Belgians also used a similar trigger guard.
     
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  3. JohnRov

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    So what do you think would have changed to sporterize it? Barrel cut down? Was it originally a flintlock? Would the marks on the stock be from the gunmaker or something different? Any place to look those up?

    Thanks!
     
  4. Jessesky

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    The major thing Is the stock has been cut down. It used to be a full stock and would have gone to the bayonet lug on the barrel. It also has had the nose cap polished up. I can’t tell if it’s been sanded or not, that is a pretty deep cartouche on the butt. I’d assume it had been based on the close up photos of the grain.
     
  5. 4v50 Gary

    4v50 Gary Moderator Staff Member

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    It was never a flintlock.
     
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  6. Jim Watson

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    Looks pretty good, apparently the only "sporterizing" done was to cut the stock back to the second band and shine everything up, the barrel is at full length complete with bayonet lug.

    I can't identify it. It doesn't have the screw in the tail of the lockplate like the usual French back action lock gun and I can't decipher the stock markings.
     
  7. #1buck

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    Doesn't look like a regular cap nipple to me. What's going on there?
     
  8. Jim Watson

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    I saw that but don't know what it is. Guard against cap fragmenting, adapter for primers, dry fire adapter, maybe. Real ID anybody?
     
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