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Unloading a BP

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by ndh87, May 17, 2006.

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  1. ndh87

    ndh87 Member

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    I dont have a BP gun...yet... but one thing i've always wondered about is how does one go about unloading a BP gun without firing it?:scrutiny:
     
  2. Third_Rail

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    Carefully.

    Ball puller and prayer, CO2 discharger, firing it, those are the ways I know of.
     
  3. gmatov

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    A flintlock, open the cover on the pan, turn it over, dump the priming powder out. Legally unloaded.

    Caplock, pick the caps off. Even in California, an uncapped percussion pistol is considered unloaded.

    Unless you are one of them who think that BPwill blow up if you sneeze, or if the gods should build a lot of static in the air, and the gun will go off even without powder or ball in it.

    Unprime it, whether dump the priming powder, or lift the cap. Itis as safe as can be.

    Cheers,

    George
     
  4. sjohns

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    I've had to unload a couple of revolvers.
    Are you asking about that or have you had your answer given here?
     
  5. ndh87

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    Thanks

    The replies above pretty much answered my question. it was just something i had been wondering about for awhile. but feel free to elaborate.
     
  6. Smokin_Gun

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    Unload a revolver w/o firing...remove;caps, cones(nipples),pour out powder,using a brass (or whatever you have) rod tap ball from cylinder.
     
  7. Zero_DgZ

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    That's what I was gonna say. Take the caps off, remove the nipples, and dump out the powder.

    Then you can knock the balls out with a dowel if you really want to, but they ain't going anywhere without any powder behind them.
     
  8. Third_Rail

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    I have to ask, how do you guys remove the caps? I usually unscrew the nipple, pour the powder out, knock the ball out, screw the nipples back on and snap the caps.
     
  9. Zero_DgZ

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    Knife blade or a nipple pick can get in there under it and pop it off, usually.
     
  10. Mercerlake

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    I would heartily recomend removing the caps first on a revolver before handling the cylinder. If you drop the cylinder it can get real interesting around camp when it starts goin off, the caps are exposed on many cylinders so they can and will fire if struck.
     
  11. Ferret

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    Removing caps

    Knife blade to the side of the nipples. Cut through the copper and the caps just come straight off. If I am needing to unload the cylinder anyhow, trashing the caps isnt a problem.
    Then unscrew the nipples, pour out the powder and tap out the bullet with a brass or wooden rod.
     
  12. Smokin_Gun

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    The Colt type nipple wrench has the srewdriver blade at the end of it. Not much of a srewdriver but takes the caps off ok.
     
  13. MCgunner

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    I've got one of those CO2 dischargers, but could never make it work on my Hawkin. Don't have the nipple on it anymore, so don't even try. I've got it converted to take rifle primers.
     
  14. JNewell

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    If laws were always rational, that would be true, but F&G laws can have funny quirks. If you hunt with a muzzleloader, I'd check this for the state(s) in which I was hunting.
     
  15. 4v50 Gary

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    C02 is the safest way to remove ball & powder from either a flintlock or percussion smokepole. In the absence of a C02 discharger, keep it pointed in a safe direction and remove the cap (or remove the powder from the pan if flintlock). Attach stuck ball remover (screw with end to thread onto ramrod). Insert and twist until stuck ball remover bites into the ball. Pull straight out. Pour powder out. The ball is going to have one funny hole in it but you can always use it as your fouling shot.
     
  16. gmatov

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    Come to think, the best is to shoot 'em all up before you leave the range. 6 more can't hurt, can it?

    Cheers,

    George

    NDH,

    Go get one, shoot it, enjoy it, come back often, they are relatively inexpensive, you can learn whether you like it for about 200 bucks, and if you don't, can sell it for near what you paid for it.

    You buy a pistol for 170 to 200, a can of powder for 12 to 20, a tin of caps for 4 bucks, and a measure for about 7 buck, and a 100 balls for about 9 bucks. That is it! If you like it, you will spend much more, over time. If you don't, come back here and offer them for sale. I think you could get 75 cents on the dollar for what you spent. And that is pretty damned good, considering that if you bought a Ruger, or the like, you would get complaints if a seller wanted more than half the new price.

    Cheers,

    George
     
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    Legality...

    In TN a muzzleloading firearm is considered unloaded if you remove the cap/primer from the nipple. When I used to travel to hunt with my rifle, I would remove the primer and leave the charge where it was, then the next day I'd go back to hunt again without having to load a fresh charge. Shoot the shot at the end of the season if I didn't get a shot at a deer, and then clean up for the next time.
    Laws may vary in your state...:rolleyes:

    If I want my revolvers unloaded, I just shoot them empty and clean up. I have a routine and a full teardown and detail cleaning takes me about 25-30 min start to finish.
     
  18. gmatov

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    Third_Rail,

    I gotta ask, since I never tried it, but does your nipple wrench fit over the caps?

    I think I wouldn't do it that way myself. Chance you could touch one off while holding it in your hand. Now, THERE's something that would be a little exciting!!!

    Cheers,

    George
     
  19. Low Key

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    Needle nose pliers are good for pulling caps off the nipples if you have to uncap the revolver for whatever reason.
     
  20. Smokin_Gun

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    Yup George some do, or can be modified to...I wouldn't recommend doin' it, but when/if you do be careful. 1/4" deep sockets work best.
     
  21. 4v50 Gary

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    While a needle nose plier would certain work to remove a cap, I'd rather use an old pocket knife.
     
  22. arcticap

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    Steel blade?

    I would think that a non-steel item made out of brass, plastic or even hardwood with any kind of edge would be better for the nipples than using a steel blade. :scrutiny:
     
  23. gmatov

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    I think I would rather slice one side open to loose it than to grip it with ANY pliers. Always the chance you will snap the pliers closed hard enough to pop the cap. Again, exciting, in the extreme.

    I THINK it was my "no name" '51 that I tried a CCI 11 cap on, had to hammer seat it, tried to pull it off, could not, didn't try slicing it open to make it easier, but could NOT pry it off, in any way. Finally just snapped it. Told me, at least, that they do not splay out from firing, and the powder blast making them do so, the cap itself will do that.

    My best advice has to remain, shoot the last cyl even if you have to blow them into the ground. Go home with an empty pistol.

    Cheers,

    George

    BTW, do you guys know that TFL is back up?
     
  24. gmatov

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    Articap,

    Why would you think a non steel whatever would be better? Just curious.

    How about a stainless steel dental pick?

    Cheers,

    George
     
  25. AJAX22

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    I've always had good luck using the plastic toothpick on my swissarmy knife to pull the primer, then using a ball puller (if you have a thinn needle ith a hook on the end you can improvise a ball puller in the field.

    absolute best bet is to just shoot the dang thing.
     
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