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UN's definition of "legitimate small arms user"

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Oleg Volk, Sep 25, 2003.

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  1. Oleg Volk

    Oleg Volk Moderator Emeritus

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    Tried for a bit of a pun for the right-wingers here.
     
  2. BerettaNut92

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    Oleg, looks great! Maybe you can throw in a citation of the exact UN law that defines this in small small print somewhere on the image just to back it up?
     
  3. Mark Tyson

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    Very nice. Try one poster with only a picture of the Nazi though to see how it looks.
     
  4. AJ Dual

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    Awsome.

    However, for a final production version I would just simply have it read "Yet, to the U.N., the only "legitamate arms user" is the state

    Anyone dense enough to not get the contrast between the white male SS trooper, and the black female civilian won't be helped by pointing out the "-sanctioned man on the Left"


    And yes... capital "L" Left.

    Ha-ha! :D
     
  5. Daniel T

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    The capital "L" is a masterful touch.
     
  6. BTR

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    Excellent. I would leave the text the same.
     
  7. Kaylee

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    ordinarily I'd say the Nazi thing had been way Way WAY overdone, and it'd be helped by fiding some stock footage of Stalin's gang instead. BUT... given the MP40 in both frames, the irony is just too delicious. That's almost as good as the Israeli 98ks. :D

    good text. good pictures. :)
     
  8. Oleg Volk

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    Commie version coming soon, don't worry.
     
  9. SAG0282

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    UN=axis of evil.
     
  10. Quartus

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    Ever play with cornstarch? If you make a paste of cornstarch and water, you'll find it has some interesting properties. You can drag your finger through it slowly, and it will flow around your finger. Go too fast, and it will act like a weak solid and crack on you.


    People are like that - you can't push them too fast. I think this poster could be VERY useful, but it goes too fast. It's too much for the mushy middle.

    "That woman has a machinegun!!!!! You CAN'T be suggesting that it's okay for her to have a MACHINE GUN!!!!!"


    The average American still believes we have the right of self defense. Telling them (the truth) that we have the right to have full military weapons is a bit too much for most, though. They aren't ready to hear it.

    Try it with her holding a nice clean, ordinary (blued, wood grips), revolver. That's probably the least threatening, yet obviously for personal defense (not hunting) weapon she could be holding, in the minds of Joe or Jane Middleground. MOST Americans will react favorably to that image, I think, but will write you off as a kook if you use the sub-gun.


    You and I know the truth, and I'm not suggesting we should be ashamed of it. But it's about winning the educational war, and a good teacher knows how to pace his teaching.
     
  11. Oleg Volk

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    Will have versions with a K98 and a S&W M&P, too ;) And if I can find a Beretta 38 or an MP18, I can have a "safe" submachine gun, too...
     
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    Masterpeice! One of your best!

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    [Tony the tiger voice] Its great! [/Tony]

    I like it! What version of Photoshop do you use?

    I dont know if I am just dense or what, but it took me a sec to realize it was a Nazi stormtrooper. Can you put some sort of swastika or "SS" on his helmet?
     
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    Quartus is right... but I think the better contrast yet would be showing the woman with a nice, safe, civilian revolver, against the Nazi holding a Luger. I mean you can show a Luger with nobody holding it and people instantly think "Nazi..."
     
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    Oleg, Are you ever going to put together a coffe table book with your posters? That would be neat.:D
     
  16. Standing Wolf

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    It's very good. I'd tighten the letter spacing and kill the comma after "Yet." I like the contrast between the clearly depicted woman and the vaguely defined soldier.
     
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    I like it. don't change it too much.! :D
     
  18. Travis McGee

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    Don't get me wrong, it's great as-is: for shooters and the RKBA crowd. But casual observers will be thrown by adding the dimension of race, and the "mahine guns."

    To make the same point, I think it's hard to improve on the pictures of grinning Nazis holding pistols to the heads of doomed victims by mass graves, while other Nazis look on approvingly.

    Just little bitty pistols, and mass graves.

    All made possible by the state monopoly on firearms.
     
  19. Brian Dale

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    Another masterpiece!

    I like that you're doing some with other weapons, as well; I suspect that when a lot of folks listen to news reports about "traffic in Small Arms," they think that it means only machine guns, mortars and military, select-fire rifles. Maybe old military bolt rifles, but not our snubbies. Maybe your Garand, but not my shotguns. We know they're wrong, and I like seeing her with her subgun; I bet she has fire extinguishers at home, too.

    I agree with Standing Wolf: I suggest that you kill the comma after "Yet."

    I also recommend changing "legitimate arms user" to "legitimate small arms user."

    Recommend you delete the words, "state-sanctioned." The audience can see where he's from, and the words flow more smoothly. The simpler phrasing also brings forth a "Huh? But he's a Nazi! What do you mean?" from the reader. It draws the reader in toward the point you're making.

    As always, this advice might be worth just what you paid for it.

    {edited to add: and if you don't already have a poster with "All made possible by the State monopoly on firearms" as the caption, under the photo that Travis mentions (one or more Nazi soldiers pointing pistols at civilians' heads, at the edge of a mass grave), I think that's powerful. I ADMIT that I MIGHT BE DESCRIBING ONE OF YOUR EXISTING POSTERS here. I remember a bunch of them (how could I not?), but I don't remember them all}
     
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    How about instead of the nazi, just show a blue helmeted UN soldier with a fal or something else, and have the woman holding that type of gun as well.

    Some people may get confused thinking the UN supported the Nazi's, which of course the UN wasn't around then...

    You said a commie version is on the way, so I think a UN...or maybe an ATF/FBI-HRT version too. it could be a series with different color schemes.
     
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    I like it! Could we possibly see a version with the figures nudged slightly left, so we might see the complete SMG our friendly model is toting?
     
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    You're too subtle for 'em, Oleg;

    I don't think they'll catch the point about Nazi standing for National SOCIALIST.
     
  23. Sean Cloherty

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    Quartus is right on the mark and I love the corn starch anaolgy.

    If the target audience is an anti or a fence sitter, then it needs to be toned down.

    IF the target audience is duck hunters - then maybe I would go with that.

    If it is a TFL / THR member, then we want more details on how difficult it is to get your Class III license, how much it costs too feed one of those toys etc. - In other words, we aren't the audience or we wouldn't be on these boards.

    My $.02 (What the hell is the ASCII code for the CENTS sign anyway???)
     
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    Sean:

    Pressing the button "Alt" plus the numbers "0162" will give you ¢.
     
  25. Greg L

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    You may want to put her into a different colored shirt (something bright). To my (admittedly colorblind) eyes it looks like her shirt is roughly the same color as the grey that the Germans wore.

    Greg
     
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